Hey look another suggestion Thread, Except this one is awesome.

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Originally Posted by Niklz

PLD is in no way a useless job, it's just not as efficient in the world of Abyssea. People just need to utilize it in a different manner than what the PLD job was commonly known for.

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A thought just hit me, idk why it didn't strike me last week...but I was pulling a BUTTLOAD of hate one night on DRK with my old GS. I was 85/86 with roughly only @220 skill, poking things with a weaker Cobra Unit Sword (think that was the name, the one you get with allied notes around 55 I think).

Anyway... the thing I was wondering... have PLD's tried using a GS to see if they can get more DOT from it to generate more hate?

Raist

I want the 1 minute back I just lost, thread title is totally misleading and wrong ¬.¬.

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Anyway... the thing I was wondering... have PLD's tried using a GS to see if they can get more DOT from it to generate more hate?

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I haven't no. I forgot PLDs can use Spinning Slash too. Might be something to try out when servers get back up.

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Originally Posted by Damane

I want the 1 minute back I just lost, thread title is totally misleading and wrong ¬.¬.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkmOqQiDMEo

The problem with using great sword is that you lose your shield which has been augmented in such a way or recent updates that it is silly to not use one. If you're intent is soley to keep hate though, great sword still will not help you through damage because the ws's you use are not based on things pld's have in abundance. So if you go pld for dmg, you make yourself just as squishy as any other DD and if you go pld to actually TANK you can't keep hate... it's a catch 22 if i've ever seen one.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Hehe... more often than not... that's what winds up happening to me. Either the mob dies, or I do. But with all the lenity abbysites and the quick exp. recovery options available now, eating a little dirt now and then isn't such a big deal so long as the party survives.

Raist

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Raistlin from Ragnarok? Drk that wears Twilight?

Yep can imagine so :P

If I am tanking and that happens, it's the DD's fault for pulling hate so I let him eat dirt.

Besides, you get 5k EXP off an NM most of the time anyway. The death EXP means nothing these days.

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Originally Posted by Kavik

The problem with using great sword is that you lose your shield which has been augmented in such a way or recent updates that it is silly to not use one. If you're intent is soley to keep hate though, great sword still will not help you through damage because the ws's you use are not based on things pld's have in abundance. So if you go pld for dmg, you make yourself just as squishy as any other DD and if you go pld to actually TANK you can't keep hate... it's a catch 22 if i've ever seen one.

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hehe... Maybe a magian weapon could help offset it. I pull off a lot of crazy crap on jobs already supplementing my evasion rig with the evasion versions of some lines. Might be an interesting challenge for someone to see if they could make it work.

Raist

If you made provoke an ultimate hate move then there's a problem.
You just can't allow a brewed RDM to chainspell tier 4 magic, and then pretend like nothing happened.

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Originally Posted by Blaize122

If you made provoke an ultimate hate move then there's a problem.
You just can't allow a brewed RDM to chainspell tier 4 magic, and then pretend like nothing happened.

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LOL nice. Now this is something that makes sense ^^

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Originally Posted by NightDagger

Yes a NIN can deal a ton of damage with a WS but the DoT of the others job are far greater. It would be nice to see a fix to this a have NIN & PLD able to do their jobs again w/o having to constantly fight with the DD's.

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I disagree with this.

Nin in a sense is now also a DD. Put RR and VV on and your DoT is nearly that of a mnk (yes I said nearly >_>)

Hit for about 200 / hit, double attack every 2nd turn, super low delay, and even if you only have Blade: Jin (being a STR and DEX mod - RR and VV is str & dex + major) you are still doing about 2k+ damage for a weapon skill which is decent.

Nin's are great tanks in abyssea, probably 2nd to MNK. In fact I personally believe SAM if anything is almost the gimped job out of the ones you mentioned.