Leeching in video games. Good or bad?

@ Bled
The person in question may not be a rude individual, lazy but not rude. If you "butt hurt" over being called lazy. Do something about it.

I think you guys just grasping at straws to try and discredit me instead of actually using your brains to come up with a good reason.
If you see leeching a good thing prove it. Simple.
Not a hard thing to do. Show proof and personal experience how leeching is helping ffxi become a better game for the players?

example of what i meant:
That old show parking wars. People hate the parking authority, but can't really hate the people who work for them. Because that induvidual isn't personaly out to get you.

As i stated I do not hate leechers. If you lot wanna be lazy fine by me. I can't fault you for being lazy because your not saying "i'm gonna leech to skrew over rosina *dr evil laugh*" The art of leeching, does make progression harder, it does waste my time and effort. Hence the rude factor.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

I think you guys just grasping at straws to try and discredit me instead of actually using your brains to come up with a good reason.
If you see leeching a good thing prove it. Simple.

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Don't need to grasp at straws to discredit you, since you're making it exceedingly easy. You just don't get it. No one said leeching is good. You're arguing against literally no one. This thread is pointless. When we say leeching we don't mean what you mean. We mean people "not fighting", but generally doing something else to compensate. What else is there to clear up?

People who intentionally and quietly AFK during a group to leech exp is bad. If you see it then inform your leader because I guarantee you there's little chance they will even know what's going on because they are constantly not enjoying the game with all the /sea going on. Everything else beyond that is something to be pointlessly mad about. There's key leechers and FC leechers who pay and this and that and everything and you need to AFK for 10 minutes and they need to AFK for 10 minutes you take some and you give some and so on.

If not for leeching there would be a lot less people doing the exp thing these days if they could not pick up a job and take it to cap within a week(I don't want to hear the whole preaching of 1-99 in one day shit, when someone can pull it off let me know and I'll reward you with the My Life Eff'n Sucks trophy) Best case for most people is going to be about a week, average 2 weeks, and never if you're scared to push for leech exp.

So, if not for fast exp creating interest in playing new jobs people would find groups a lot less often, merit rush aside. This would be the "good" thing about leeching. If you're really anal about it then you can solo your exp which is incredibly superior to solo exp outside Abyssea. If you can't accept that because the exp is oh so lower then I'm sorry but it sounds like a personal problem to me. Your only option is to lead and make it clear to everyone before you head out or during shouts that AFK leeching is not welcomed.

If you're not willing to lead an alliance of exp.... - extremely long epic pause - .....then you have no right whatsoever on this Earth to bitch about leechers if you refuse to do something about them. Whoever "you" may happen to be.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

2 I no longer play as Rosina, and haven't for a year. Infact my last highest character was Darkfae. Darkfaes last gear set was spry vest, charis hands, hakka hachimaki (aka the +staff one) charis legs charis feet+1 double venrus daggers Charis feather. I forget what else. Atma I used was strongarm and sea daughter.

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You tell us this of your own free will and wonder why people laugh at you?

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Originally Posted by Rosina

4 yes I did gear swap in the past, even with the best gear i could get and still never saw a point other then just it taking up inventory space.

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Proves you have no clue whatsoever about basic game mechanics, and that the best gear you could get was most likely pretty shitty.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

People only level job now a days for procing... which is a bit weird since only 2 events have procing. Abyssea, dynamis.

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Wrong. Ever heard of Voidwatch?

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Originally Posted by Rosina

Personally speaking can't wait for legion. I seen several video and people just try and zerg the mobs. Then a few complained over the fact they got charmed and want SE to remove charm from those hnms. It sorta made me laugh considering alot of hnm still charm and there are ways around it.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

With legion coming out, it looks like you can't proc (based on videos i saw) So what are people going to do? What I see is everyone will cry for nerfing the content. Infact they already are.. video I saw people want SE to remove charm from the hnm.

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Judging by everything you have ever told us on this forum about your "playstyle", I can only say this:

If you ever get invited to a Legion run you will be the exact thing you detest and call rude: you will be a leech. If you don't understand what I mean by that statement, I'm sure someone else can explain it to you.

Not this crap again................

EDIT: Also, people have always sucked and been leeches. I can't tell you how many bad LS's I was in (for a short period of time) where people were just horrible. Ever see an aegis PLD during 75 cap who couldnt hold hate at all? I saw 10+ at 75 cap, whats more leechful then that?

I personally don't care how people get their jobs to 99 it doesn't matter to me. The leeching I don't like is bad players in events not gear swapping, not capping haste , not having equipment sets, the fact that I usually have to come whm because most white mages are abyssea burned and absolutely suck at real events, etc etc.

Even though my DDs are fully equipped with different sets etc, I have to come whm while the DD who "doesn't think gear swaps matter" comes DD because he can't heal. I spend my time in voidwatch with fully capped atmacites etc, then have a bunch of people in the alliance who try to leech the win without any effort.

So I like many others, consider you a leech if you don't have a basic understanding of your equipment, haste, gear swaps, and fully capped skills.

The first time I leveled up a job, it was fun and exciting to reach a new level of power and unlock that next ability. The second time it was still, though not quite as much. After that, EXP is just a grind and a hassle. I want to beat bosses and enjoy story more than I want to kill 3000 worms.

I totally agree with the sentiment (after the first few times) that the EXP is just the barrier between you and the fun stuff.

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If the act of leeching is rude how would that not make the person committing the act not accountable or rude?

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I believe the distinction being made here is this: "leeching" meaning someone who didn't join and wasn't specifically invited to leech that fights for a while, then goes AFK and never comes back. "Leecher" meaning someone who was specifically invited to and allowed to leech.

As has already been said, you seem to be confusing people who stealthily hide in a martello while painstakingly constructing a delicious sandwich with people who provide keys or gil to justify their place in an alliance.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

Darkfaes last gear set was spry vest, charis hands, hakka hachimaki (aka the +staff one) charis legs charis feet+1 double venrus daggers Charis feather. I forget what else. Atma I used was strongarm and sea daughter. I subed /thf for the heck of it.

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I would consider someone with that equipment, that sub-job, and those Atma to be both exerting and contributing the same amount of nothing as someone whose goal was to exert and contribute nothing. Well below the exertion and contribution provided by someone opening chests or paying 100,000 gil an hour.

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Originally Posted by Siiri

I personally don't care how people get their jobs to 99 it doesn't matter to me. The leeching I don't like is bad players in events not gear swapping, not capping haste , not having equipment sets, the fact that I usually have to come whm because most white mages are abyssea burned and absolutely suck at real events, etc etc.

Even though my DDs are fully equipped with different sets etc, I have to come whm while the DD who "doesn't think gear swaps matter" comes DD because he can't heal.

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Oh man, this brings back memories, I use to have to deal with this kind of crap too.
Then they raised the lvl cap and I didn't bother leveling jobs I don't feel like playing anymore.

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Originally Posted by Siiri

So I like many others, consider you a leech if you don't have a basic understanding of your equipment, haste, gear swaps, and fully capped skills.

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This is the true definition of a leech IMO.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

I would consider someone with that equipment, that sub-job, and those Atma to be both exerting and contributing the same amount of nothing as someone whose goal was to exert and contribute nothing. Well below the exertion and contribution provided by someone opening chests or paying 100,000 gil an hour.

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So true.

Glad to see the great entertainment that Rosina can only bring is back. Good show.