the one that knows how to use thier gear, knows when to rest and hold back, but ya your expecting the answer to be taru if all things even, and thats how it should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superchicken
I am confused about the level 72 weapon however, are you talking about the PW GKT that has Zanshin on it? I herd of people playing around with Zanshin setups because of it but like OP is pointing out gearing to miss is pretty fail
Zanshin? why?
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03-14-2011, 06:30 PMRambus
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03-14-2011, 11:39 PMRawr
just make zanshin work on ws. problem solved!
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03-14-2011, 11:46 PMMirage
I'm pretty sure it does. How else would you be able to return 1 TP on a single-hit WS without DA?
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03-14-2011, 11:58 PMhiko
because if you're not gimp you have at least brutal?
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03-15-2011, 12:59 AMInvasion
1TP return from your WS means that you missed your main WS but the Double Attack kicked in.
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03-15-2011, 05:08 AMSuperchickenthis is why i said same gear. Same gear of course the taru is gonna win for several reasons, one being higher INT 2 being more MPQuote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
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03-15-2011, 05:19 AMGERMThis is a crap statement btw.. You put a taru up against a galka there are a lot more factors in play then just INT and MP.. an enemy that would require min. of 3 nukes to kill would pwn a taru before it would a galka even with stoneskin tarus go down a lot quicker they are squshy.. but anyway this thread kinda got away from topic.. enfeebling and enhancing and dark skills are all the same which is where a taru would get a little more survivability but you basic nuke sleep method works just as well with a galka as it does a taru.. maybe you should think a little more like taru vs galka war both have same enmity generation yet a taru war still gets pwned by a mob as quick as a taru blm .. little squishy things.. *poke poke* oh look it gigglesQuote:
i know shame on me, because a lvl 72 GK with base dmg of 77 is such a good choice in weaponry.
ANd i hope you not serious in thinking a galka blm could hang with a taru.
Put them in the same gear same merits etc who's gonna win?
Zanshin.. WTF are you thinking SqEnix.. I understand you want to help out the other jobs by just gimping a SAM at the later levels but seriously? why not enhance meditate or even enchance 3rd eye and giving it the ability to absorb magic based attacks and not wear off in 5 secs when facing an IT when you need it the most.. -
03-15-2011, 05:34 AMwintermuteQuote:
Originally Posted by Superchicken
How is that anything like the example you just gave?
I don't see what's wrong with getting a Nanatsusaya and fully meriting Ikishoten. You could have a -accuracy set for when you're trying to TP, and switch sets when doing Weaponskills. Alternatively, if you wore your entire AF3 +2 with as much -acc gear you could find, then you'd be procing Zanshin all the time, occasionally hitting for twice the amount you would normal hit (with Set: Augments Zanshin), and getting buttloads of TP (it would be possible to get 100% TP in four hits if Zanshin proc'd ATLEAST once with +store TP gear and merits in Ikishoten).
I dunno how bad that sounds. I've been thinking it over and have been a little weary of putting merits into Ikishoten on my 90SAM becasue of all the people on the internet bashing it. Can someone explain to me just how Ikishoten isn't worth it? I mean, look at your other options: Blade Bash and Shikikoyo. -
03-15-2011, 05:38 AMSuperchickenyou are simply adding more to the equation thats not in point for the point being made but i'll spell it out for you so its easier to understandQuote:
Originally Posted by GERM
Why would you ever suggest a lvl 72 GK with dmg 77 to a lvl 90 sam?
the taru and galka comparison is not a survive a fight that a mobs gonna be hitting aspect. The point was in dmg and dmg only. And when you have a taru blm vs a galka blm in the same gear nuke for nuke the galka will not nuke harder than a taru. "But what if the taru got a resist, blah blah" Stop trying to add in all the ifs this if that and see the point here.
So nuke for nuke a galka blm would never beat a taru blm. And WS to WS a lvl 72 GK with 77 base dmg would never mathmatically beat any GK that a lvl 90 sam has avaiable to them at that lvl. Come on GKs are reaching base dmg of well over 100 (114 for a lvl 90 masa) and even the non empy / relic gks are over 100 dmg, so why would you ever use the Nana GK. "well of sure it could beat another GK if that person missed their WS and the lvl 72 GK person didn't, blah blah blah" Stop adding in other factors and see the point for the point thats being made.
I'm sorry you didn't see the comparison i was making but hopefully you understand now.
But i'll go even further to make it more easy to understand.
Suggesting a lvl 72 GK to 90 SAM is like suggesting a Byakko's axe/ perdu GA / whatever GA when the cap was 75 to a warrior over something like a perdu voulge at worst, but things like a widowmaker, elephas axe or any other GA that is lvl 90 requirement to use or slightly lower. -
03-15-2011, 06:44 AMMirageQuote:
Originally Posted by Invasion
It is quite possible to do a single-hit WS before you get access to brutal, and without using war as subjob. For example in a situation where you're trying to test whether or not zanshin can proc on WS.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiko