Zanshin? why?

[brayen]

I want to stress how disappointed i am at the recent development given to SAM. the whole development has revolved around improving a trait that relies on missing. It is so wrong and counter productive. What melee would want a trait that promotes missing? that is like promoting being bad, and our Emperian armor is littered with this useless stuff.

It is not so much that sam requires a ton of improvements (abyssea nature with it's improvements to crit hit WS is the only thing hurting the job at the moment) but that was just a disgraceful low blow to sam.

[NotAzure]

The issue lies in the Samurai's place in FFXI's job structure. In my opinion, it seems that SE is having difficulty in developing or determining just how to improve SAM at a pace similar to other jobs without losing what makes it essentially Samurai.

They're attempting, I think, to improve the job's capability in its DD role without losing its flavor. This also explains the addition of another Demon oriented debuff. The rub is that keeping flavor is, in this case, detracting from our ability to function in our party role.

Alternatively, just get a Nanatsusaya.

[Superchicken]

Alternatively, just get a Nanatsusaya.

uh why. thats like telling a galka to level blm and play it as his main role

[NotAzure]

uh why. thats like telling a galka to level blm and play it as his main role

Are you asserting that Galkan BLM are anything but the absolute kings of their role?

[wintermute]

uh why. thats like telling a galka to level blm and play it as his main role

How is that anything like the example you just gave?

I don't see what's wrong with getting a Nanatsusaya and fully meriting Ikishoten. You could have a -accuracy set for when you're trying to TP, and switch sets when doing Weaponskills. Alternatively, if you wore your entire AF3 +2 with as much -acc gear you could find, then you'd be procing Zanshin all the time, occasionally hitting for twice the amount you would normal hit (with Set: Augments Zanshin), and getting buttloads of TP (it would be possible to get 100% TP in four hits if Zanshin proc'd ATLEAST once with +store TP gear and merits in Ikishoten).

I dunno how bad that sounds. I've been thinking it over and have been a little weary of putting merits into Ikishoten on my 90SAM becasue of all the people on the internet bashing it. Can someone explain to me just how Ikishoten isn't worth it? I mean, look at your other options: Blade Bash and Shikikoyo.

[Crysten]

How is that anything like the example you just gave?

I don't see what's wrong with getting a Nanatsusaya and fully meriting Ikishoten. You could have a -accuracy set for when you're trying to TP, and switch sets when doing Weaponskills. Alternatively, if you wore your entire AF3 +2 with as much -acc gear you could find, then you'd be procing Zanshin all the time, occasionally hitting for twice the amount you would normal hit (with Set: Augments Zanshin), and getting buttloads of TP (it would be possible to get 100% TP in four hits if Zanshin proc'd ATLEAST once with +store TP gear and merits in Ikishoten).

I dunno how bad that sounds. I've been thinking it over and have been a little weary of putting merits into Ikishoten on my 90SAM becasue of all the people on the internet bashing it. Can someone explain to me just how Ikishoten isn't worth it? I mean, look at your other options: Blade Bash and Shikikoyo.

...you're building a set reliant on missing. I'll let you ponder just how stupid that is. Your Zanshins miss too, btw.

Blade Bash is a far, far, far more useful merit ability, honestly.

[wintermute]

...you're building a set reliant on missing. I'll let you ponder just how stupid that is. Your Zanshins miss too, btw.

Blade Bash is a far, far, far more useful merit ability, honestly.

"Building a set reliant on missing" sounds bad just by looking at it, and yes... Zanshin can miss too, but Zanshin procs have a +35 Accuracy Bonus. And Blade Bash isn't useful. If you're soloing something you're /DNC and you can use some of your TP that you're getting out the ass on Hobaku's, and if you don't want to waste TP then you can always use Violent Flourish. And in parties or whatever that are fighting enemies that need to be stunned at certain points, well... I've rarely been in party that relies on the Samurai to stun things. That's why we have PLD/DRK/BLU.

[Superchicken]

i'm making a simple statement you suggesting a lvl 72 GK with base dmg of 77 for a level 90 sam. Which doesnt compare to the GKs that are out there appropriate for a lvl 90 sam. The comparison with a galka blm would be to something like a taru.

a lvl 72 GK will not compare to a higher level GK just like a galka blm wont compare to a taru blm. The higher GK gonna out perform the lvl 72 one just like a taru blm gonna out perform the galka

[NotAzure]

i'm making a simple statement you suggesting a lvl 72 GK with base dmg of 77 for a level 90 sam. Which doesnt compare to the GKs that are out there appropriate for a lvl 90 sam. The comparison with a galka blm would be to something like a taru.

a lvl 72 GK will not compare to a higher level GK just like a galka blm wont compare to a taru blm. The higher GK gonna out perform the lvl 72 one just like a taru blm gonna out perform the galka

Pfft. That's crazy talk.

[Superchicken]

Pfft. That's crazy talk.

i know shame on me, because a lvl 72 GK with base dmg of 77 is such a good choice in weaponry.

ANd i hope you not serious in thinking a galka blm could hang with a taru.

Put them in the same gear same merits etc who's gonna win?