Dynamis Proc Rates

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

While I disagree with your idea about the amount of the WS-proc rate, I'll agree with the droprate EP vs higher level mobs.
A global repop of 3 minutes for all Dynamis zones would be interesting but only in case SE did changed the proc and drop rate and the zones would be congested even after 3 or 4 month after they changed it.

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What do you disagree with? To compete with JA procs you need to have a near 100% chance of procing before the mob dies. You get that with magic but it might take you 5 minutes. With WSs you are limited by mob HP and most 1h DDs will only get off 2-3 WSs before a mobs dies just from melee swings. I guess you could bring a sam with a soboro or quint spear but that's not an option for most since they DB or solo.

Or simply make the higher level mobs EP or the EP mobs DC/EM/T.. Level the playing field so people have options to change camps rather then all being cluster f'd around one camp..

Also perhaps re-looking at Valkrum Dunes proc times as currently the grouping I believe is a little weighed too heavily on farming Hipo's. You have either sheep that sleepga (terrible for a solo'er), sabotender's that use 10,000 needles? (I can't confirm this but have been wise enough not to bother trying) or Hipo's which don't have any really devastating tp moves.

This causes a huge amount of congestion during 8-16:00 (JA proc times) around Hipo's in Valkrum.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

What do you disagree with? To compete with JA procs you need to have a near 100% chance of procing before the mob dies. You get that with magic but it might take you 5 minutes. With WSs you are limited by mob HP and most 1h DDs will only get off 2-3 WSs before a mobs dies just from melee swings. I guess you could bring a sam with a soboro or quint spear but that's not an option for most since they DB or solo.

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A WS-proc rate at the same level as JA would be good enough. Every DD can lower the amount of his/her weapon swings and WS. At least with the right sub.

The WS proc rate is already about the same or maybe a little higher than JA procs and it doesn't work well.

ws and magic proc rates are not really that bad at all magic is easy just spam dia.. WS the only issue is the mob needs to live long enough to proc.. and if your fighting Ep's thats not always the case, mob may die in 2 ws's.. Me and my husband have noticed procs for ws are pretty easy on fighting T mobs. I would not complain about changing the proc rates though.. knowing SE's track record instead of making it easier to proc with ws and magic, they'd just make it freaking harder to ja proc.. because they hate us :(

Actually, you're wrong. JA proccing is better than magic and WS proccing because you can do it faster.

You can expect to take about 2 minutes per monster proc spamming Dia.
You can expect to take about 2 minutes per monster proc spamming WSs
You can expect to take about 30~45 seconds per monster proc spamming /DNC JAs.

That's the disparity that should be fixed. SE seems to have designed magic and WS proc rates with AoE proccing in mind, but they never adjusted them when they nerfed AoE proccing. I used to Aeolian Edge proc city monster pulls instead of JA proccing because it net me about the same currency and let me use camps that JA proccers avoid. I could see SE believing a BLM/RDM spamming -aga III/Sleepga or would do the same thing.

In CoP zones AoE proccing is nerfed and they haven't buffed the single target proc rate enough to make it feasible. This leaves us with three sets of EP monsters per time window, which is insufficient to deal with demand.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

Actually, you're wrong. JA proccing is better than magic and WS proccing because you can do it faster.

You can expect to take about 2 minutes per monster proc spamming Dia.
You can expect to take about 2 minutes per monster proc spamming WSs
You can expect to take about 30~45 seconds per monster proc spamming /DNC JAs.

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Actually the proc rates are (last seen) JA 20%, WS 15% and MA 5%
Regarding you'r 2 Minutes for Dia and WS... you can also spam 5 minutes JAs before you get the proc. But in general you'll proc within 2 minutes.
Spaming WS on a mob is easy - proc a JA/MA mob and use him for TP gain. Oh - that's a party strategy. ;p

PS: Several mage jobs can spam dia, poison and every low mp consuming / fast ready spell

Well, do the math like this:
Violent Flourish - 20 second recast
Step - 15 second recast
Wild Flourish - 30 second recast

So in 30 seconds, you use four JAs. In 40 seconds, you use 5 JAs and (on average) proc the monster according to the numbers you just gave.

Dia's recast is about 6 seconds, but lets assume you aren't recast limited. It takes about ~4 seconds to cast it and recover from the post-casting lock-out, which means it would take ~80 seconds per Dia proc. If you were recast limited, that's how I was getting 120 seconds.

If you have enough Haste, you can WS once every 30 seconds. I would personally put the WS proc rate a little higher than JAs (I thought 25%), but I can't be entirely sure. Point is, that's still not proccing as fast as JAs.



As far as multiple players? Sure, but you can bring multiples of anything and it doesn't change the above math.

Multiple JA procers compounds the advantage JA procs have over others and I would put magic lower than 5% and yeah I would say WS procs are probably more like 20%. Sometimes when I have no other option I will try to magic proc a mob until a JA or WS mob pops and it has worked 3 times in god knows how many tries. That was spamming cheap spells not just waiting on dia timers. They could do something with spells to limit our ability to spam anything we had and increase the proc rate drastically and that would be fine. Maybe base a spells chance of procing on it's casting time.

2 JAs in 30 sec and not 4... so to stress the calculator you can do 8 JAs in 2 minutes.
Within 2 minutes you can cast 12 times Dia + ~12 times Poison.
WSing is a bit different since you need TP.