[dev1049] Stardiver Polearm WS

I made some changes while you were posting. To be clear, I'm NOT against tuning the WS up. When I read your post I felt at first like it was a "god dang it I want to be the strongest" type of post. That was presumptuous of me. I do however, think the WS is "not bad" as it is now and is something of an option for DRG and a great option for the other jobs.

The club WS by all accounts i've heard (I haven't tried it yet myself) is crazy good. I can almost see PLD getting it if there's a club with stats they like on it.

The staff WS, yeah no one cares, but it's still MILES above any WS before it, and it has a cool additional effect. In my testing (on SMN) it was quite literally twice as powerful as retribution (and that was with only 3/5 merits) at 100%. MNK might even be able to have some fun with it (though i doubt it would go into regular use) and Hundred Staves :p.

Some of these are just so unexpectedly good that I almost expect them to be taken away :(

Which is why I would expect Polearm WS to be stronger, not weaker than or below par a WS like Drakesbane. It's disappointing to see that. As you stated, a lot of these new WS's beat out and or match their Empyrean Counterparts. Which is pretty big on it's own, but some don't.

Unless the idea of this WS is that it beats out lolCamlann's Torment, if that's the case then even Skewer outside of Abyssea beats that. All in all, through my testing I found that while the WS was decent, it still didn't do enough to warrant a consistent use of it. Which meant back to Drakesbane, because to me that's just meh at this point. It's been too long. I'm already starting to see new gear being released that will further improve upon Drakesbane on a ridiculous level.

Where is that going to leave something like Stardiver? More like Stardust at that point.Where is that going to leave any type of practicality for self skill chains or actual tactics outside of constant trigger happy spam?

I'm all for new gear, I'm all for new content. But as I stated in another post, these weapon skills are clearly meant to be strong, so why not? Leave the Mythic to do it's job and beef Drakesbane by 15%, it doesn't mean this WS has to remain 20% weaker just because it'll hurt the 1% Mythic Population out there.

We're the 99% damnz it. OCCUPY WHITEGATE.

stardriver is the strongest polearm WS







for sam!

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I'm all for new gear, I'm all for new content. But as I stated in another post, these weapon skills are clearly meant to be strong, so why not? Leave the Mythic to do it's job and beef Drakesbane by 15%, it doesn't mean this WS has to remain 20% weaker just because it'll hurt the 1% Mythic Population out there.

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you're wrong here, having a WS better than mythic one doesn't hurt mythic owner but boost them even more (especially drg and sam) mythicWS for oa2-3 aftermatch then spam stronger WS for 3min

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The staff WS, yeah no one cares, but it's still MILES above any WS before it, and it has a cool additional effect. In my testing (on SMN) it was quite literally twice as powerful as retribution (and that was with only 3/5 merits) at 100%.

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It should be miles above past WSes since they were sucktastic. I hope they boost the staff WS so it can actually start catching up to all the other weapons in the game.

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Originally Posted by hiko

you're wrong here, having a WS better than mythic one doesn't hurt mythic owner but boost them even more (especially drg and sam) mythicWS for oa2-3 aftermatch then spam stronger WS for 3min

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It in no way makes the 1% Mythic Population. Non-sense aside, Ryunohige currently is the most devastating weapon Dragoon has in it's arsenal should it care to invest in it.

Bolstering Drakesbane by 15% DAMAGE alone. Occasionally attacking TWICE or THRICE at a 40/40/20 Ratio. Being able to process it's Twice/Thrice attack rate on Weapon Skills.

How does making Stardiver stronger influence anything Ryunohige Drakesbane gives? It doesn't because Ryunohige as a weapon is ridiculously over powered for what it is and gives. No one in their right mind would care to use anything other than Drakesbane as is by having Drakesbane for the simple fact of how much stronger it becomes with Ryunohige, so that statement is completely false!

Now if the idea is to focus and mitigate based on Relics/Mythics/Empyreans. Drakesbane has already taken care of writing Relic/Empyrean out of the show for Polearm for a long time now. Will continue to do so, because Relic and Empyrean Polearm lack balance.

Now as far as Staff Weapon Skill is concerned or Club for that matter, or most of the other ones. It's exactly like that, they're meant to beat out their competition, at this point. Is there a specific and key reason as to why Stardiver shouldn't? It doesn't hinder the use of other WS, and if the idea is to focus on that then the Dev team needs to focus on Relic/Empyrean and realize that Skewer, and Penta Thrust alone have been able to out do those for years.

Using stardiver at the start of a fight is going to cause more damage through the added effect than the difference between it and drakesbane. So technically this WS already beats drakes in party situations.

The dev team mentioned with he release of drakes that they intentionally boosted the WS bc they felt drg needed a great WS. And it is still one of the best WS in this game.

Club and staff new WS are better than the previous because the others aren't much good to begin with (aside from hexa strike but that is main job specific). So those weapons deserve to finally have a good WS. Now drg has 2 WS that it can rotate between depending on the situation, this WS is fine by me. (Of course i won't complain if they boost stardiver either, i just don't think its necessary)

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Originally Posted by Dragonlord

Using stardiver at the start of a fight is going to cause more damage through the added effect than the difference between it and drakesbane. So technically this WS already beats drakes in party situations.

The dev team mentioned with he release of drakes that they intentionally boosted the WS bc they felt drg needed a great WS. And it is still one of the best WS in this game.

Club and staff new WS are better than the previous because the others aren't much good to begin with (aside from hexa strike but that is main job specific). So those weapons deserve to finally have a good WS. Now drg has 2 WS that it can rotate between depending on the situation, this WS is fine by me. (Of course i won't complain if they boost stardiver either, i just don't think its necessary)

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Going by bolds, it won't if you're just damaging your own DPS for the sake of others. 5% Crit is nothing. Oriandori provides a 10-15% we provide a mariginal 5%. So if you have a Ninja in your group, what then? It also lasts 60 seconds.

Are you really going to use a WS that damages your DPS by 5-10% per WS every min? More than likely inclined to say not.

If the Critical Hit Evasion Down -% was = to that of Orianodori then maybe. No, yes, it would be amazing then. However, sadly it isn't.

In regards to Drakesbane, when they first added it, it was actually horrible. Penta Thrust out parsed it every which way. It was so bad, it was speculated it had no bonus to crit rate at all. It was speculated to have a 0% Crit Rate Boost at 100% TP. So they adjusted it, made it better because it got flamed to heck for being so weak.

So, no Drakesbane wasn't released with a planned intention of being AMAZING. It was released as a Mythic WS which was found too weak, and augmented to meet standards.Through player feed back it was made better. Which is what I want to do here, I want to show that 1: this WS isn't all that it could be. 2: It's added effect isn't as great as people believe it is. 3: That it requires a greater boost in damage, and or some type of modification to it's added effect to be worth while.

First on the -crit hit eva, you're comparing a sure proc to a 10% proc chance (numbers based off of bg wiki) and as with all weapon based procs the higher the lv the mob, the less likely it is to proc. Also, another job would beat out nin's damage even with this thing proccing.

Maybe drakes was tweaked, but i remember them saying they "adjusted" drakes, past tense, and people misread it as they were going to improve it.

Drakes actually doesn't have much of a crit bonus in the first place, its been tested between 5-10% at 100%tp.

Ok now, stardiver being a .75 fTP WS, really isn't necessary, just make it 1.0 across the board. Add effect is a little low, and as is, would only be beneficial in a zerg situation. Boosting this WS could bring it back to the table as a top tier DD, which is where it should be.

ionowhathappeneditwillnotletmedeletethispostwtf.....ohwell

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Originally Posted by Amador

No one wants to use something just because it's pretty, we want things to be effective, and to give us an edge.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...3WlKa6U8#t=41s There is nothing wrong w/ pretty! >.>