Current Empy 95 Price

Just a thought here. We've seen Silver Mirrors dropping from older VWs (city paths) and early Jeuno tiers. Who is to say that the heavy plates won't be just that if VW continues into the 96-99 range for CoP, ToAU areas?

I may be wrong, but it is food for thought. If I am right, I expect a huge black and white cookie over-nighted to my house.

I dont see why people think this is fine. Comparing prices with coins is a bit silly considering currently you can make away with a good portion of coins each day form dynamis with 2-3 ppl, woidwatch on the other hand you are looking at large scale event (need as many as possible for staggers) with the hopes of maybe 1 plate. It doesnt help that voidwatch as a whole has poor lotting system as a whole. 6 rare/ex drop to mule vs 0 for the actual player. The real kicker is that with the 25% ws boost and the recent 20% hidden 2.5-3 dmg on the last trial, you are looking at a mythic level trial for a lesser weapon in the near future. I am all for balance among these weapons, however the task of alexanderites and now plates, they have really turned it back to the 1year per relic age, and that is depressing as hell. Not to mention With VW and WoE drop rates they are going back to the 1 drop a week style development.

Either case i have yet to see a plate drop or find one in a bazaar, closes iv seen are die for the lesser empy which thsoe themselves were set at around 200-500k lol

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Honestly I don't find this the least bit unexpected considering the vast majority of the feedback on these forums has been either Relic holders complaining about how easy Empyreans are or non-Relic holders complaining about how easy Empyreans are.

That said, 165 fights isn't as terrible as it sounds if we're talking an old-school Relic/Mythic class weapon, and you can always supplement this with bought plates (I'd never buy over 200k personally =/ I'd optimistically hope for the market to stabilize at 100). It definitely removed the casual player from the equation though, holy crap. Hopefully there's an ODD rate increase on these 95s, and there's something new in store for 99 versions. OTD would be pretty boss.

Edit: You're not really limited with voidstones. You can always buy Voiddust with cruor/ISP/CP, and you can even trade voiddust so you could buy voidstones from other people if you really wanted to.

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Just a little something you forgot is that the 18 members of your ally want a plate because they either want it for clink-clink or for their one empy. In other words you are not looking at 165 fights but 165*18=nearly 3000 fights if you dont buy anything. This Is why the only way to get a level 95 weapon is to buy most of it. This why voidwatch is a triple fail event. The gear sucks. The fights have artificial difficulty or drop condition difficulty essentially based on the number of people. And beeing dedicated into voidwatch doesnt give you more chance at the level 95 empy. I mean someone that can play decently can definitely build more than 100k in 30 minutes, nevermind the fact that averaging 30 minutes per fight in unrealistic due to people failing at being ponctual or ready all at once for instance.

Square already knew how stupid this would be when they added it, they have staff that check out all this stuff and they picked that sadistic number on purpose. They either like the high number or they plan to lower it in the next update so everyone gushes over them with joy (wow Square your so awesome, you listen to us! :DD).

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Honestly I don't find this the least bit unexpected considering the vast majority of the feedback on these forums has been either Relic holders complaining about how easy Empyreans are or non-Relic holders complaining about how easy Empyreans are.

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This was done becaase they are are being sadistic and lazy again, not to appease relic owners. An 85 Emp blows a 95 relic out of the water, this does nothing to adress the balance between the weapons.

The biggest issue I personally see is time spent in farming these - not to mention the restriction that comes with voidstones.

Not sure the exact figure but people say it sits around a 20% drop rate - with capped alignment & TH.

Lets do the maths here - If you were to get a pouch running by these figures you are talking about 625 voidstones used per upgrade - that is assuming you get a pouch 20% of the time.

At this rate it will take approximately 1-2 years to farm enough plates required to do this solo.. (if my maths are correct.. it's getting late). This is also assuming you get capped alignment every kill - which happens most of the time but not *all* the time.

A little bit over the top? I believe so. Make pouches 100% drop with capped alignment and we will be happy.

The time spent does not equal reward in my opinion. For a few base DMG+, 3 atrribute+, and same delay - this hardly seems worth doing.

Complaining about people asking 5 mil for a plate is a bit bizar, considering it's a player's choice to put them up for that amount and it's a new item subject to the overpricing rage that happens every update.

As for the heavy metal plates, 1500 is a lot but keep in mind they can drop to everyone in the alliance (each has their own chest), you can also get a POUCH of heavy metal and they are tradable.

They will be in heavy demand for a while, so you might as well make a profit out of it now, then buy 10x as much back later.

Voidwatch is the new endgame, with parts III and IV still to come, which possible give even more chances for heavy metal to drop.

Incidently, does anyone know how the heavy metal plate is listed in inventory? I think it's "Heavy Metal", but I haven't seen a screenshot of it in inventory yet.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

This why voidwatch is a triple fail event. The gear sucks.

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Yeah, a 15% Cure potency, 15% cure cast time body that rdm and sch can equip sucks. So does an Adaman Hauberk-1 with extra DA that mnk/thf/nin/etc can equip. And don't get me started on a damage taken-8% body piece that also converts 1.4% of damage taken to TP, that one is terrible.

My gripe with Voidwatch is less that the gear sucks and more that it's almost impossible to "target" a piece. For instance, I would give up every R/Ex drop in Voidwatch for Toci's Harness. With an LS and any other kind of loot system, that would be possible. The way it's set up, it isn't. On average, I'd have to do something like 35~70 Pil fights for a 50% chance of getting the body, and 0/100 is still entirely within the realm of possibility.

Is that going to drive the Heavy Metal market? Honestly probably not. The biggest problem with the Heavy Metal market is that you have to be in an alliance to do farm it, and putting together an alliance to pull in a few plates is a big PITA.

500k on Valefor though im pretty sure in a few weeks this price will drop down :D. Se will more than likely add new ways to get them aswell, as for the guy who said it costs 75 mil for a relic lol double that.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

Yeah, a 15% Cure potency, 15% cure cast time body that rdm and sch can equip sucks. So does an Adaman Hauberk-1 with extra DA that mnk/thf/nin/etc can equip. And don't get me started on a damage taken-8% body piece that also converts 1.4% of damage taken to TP, that one is terrible.

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Of course, if pchan dosn't want/need it, it sucks, where have you been?

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Complaining about people asking 5 mil for a plate is a bit bizar, considering it's a player's choice to put them up for that amount and it's a new item subject to the overpricing rage that happens every update.

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Most people are aware over pricing is a very common thing every update, but 5 mil a plate? even gill buyers aren't that retarded and they usually have no sense of value to what things cost. and anyone idiot who puts it up for that much deservers to die in a damn fire, if there is a word for beyond taking advantage.