Any chances of raising the availability of Tier IV and AM1 scrolls?

I don't necessarily think they should be easier to get , but I sympathize with people who lack the spells. I've been spell farming recently, and I'd hate to have compete with people who are there for gil. The best option probably is to make some gil and buy the scrolls rather than spend an eternity having claim wars with random thieves.

I do agree that drop rates need to be adjusted for a more favorable return. However, most of the mobs that drop the rare scroll drop not so rare scrolls that sell for 30-90k. Sothe time to farm one IV or AM can almost equal 3-8 of those types. Not to mention the gold coins if players go /THF.

By the way I'm all for a NPC cap spell cost. 100k seems more than reasonable for a lvl 50 spell.

Aside from it being a profit source for other players, also keep in mind thousand of other players obtained these spells with LESS sources than there currently are.

I don't care if people abyssea burn their jobs to 90, but knock off the whole "wah, wah... scrolls/gear is hard to get" crap... do some quests and BCNMs for a change.

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Originally Posted by Raxiaz

I don't care if it's a source of profit for a lot of players... SE has killed the sources of profit for players before, so why not do it now for magic scrolls? I don't see how I can buy a higher version of a spell for hundreds of thousands of gil cheaper than the lower tier spell. Doesn't make sense from a logical standpoint. Economically I understand why, but the progression of spells (and the consistency with which they were made available) ought to dictate that Water V be more expensive than Water IV.

And if farming these scrolls is the only source of profit any player has, I feel sorry for them. There are much better ways to make money in this game now than to spend hours farming those.

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It's that kind of thinking (the statement in bold) that hurts the game.... you have to think of it on a larger scale then just yourself. The reason why SE has in the past... as you put it: "killed the sources of profit for players" is more often then not because they had to in order to update the game. Doing what your saying will force people to stop farming these spells thus they will farm other things... flooding those markets. Then values of items would drop across the board... no one wants that.

In closing, what the OP is asking for is unneeded and overall hurtful to the game (even if it's only slightly) thus should not be implmented. If people want those spells they can just gather the gil to buy them just like everyone else from the ah..that's why it's there.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Why stop at spells, lets make everything that has ever dropped from a mob/NM NPC purchasable.

Wild Onions are selling for 25k a stack here, lets get a NPC that would sell them for, I don't know, 25 gil each (since they drop from way too weak gobbies, lets keep the price to the level of mob here). You know how many angry farmers and growers you will have?

Also, lets make the cockatrice meat sell for, I don't know, 100 gil each (since the level of cockatrices aren't that much higher). You still will create a lot of angry farmers out there.

Then, you will have a lot of people flooding the markets with kabobs, all of which are selling at just above 1% profit....which will create a lot of angry cookers out there who spent years making/selling kabobs and other stuff to get an actual profit for the time it was used to craft to 100 or so.

Lets not forget sushi, make Black Sole what, 200 gil each? Make every fisher out there angry too.

Point being, if you make farmable scrolls into NPC purchasable scrolls, you will cut the source of income for a lot of farmers out there, and that will make them very angry and have to spam/farm something else, which will increase supply on the next big thing and affect the market that way.

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I specifically mentioned R3 because they've made R3 more available for this exact reason once before.

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Originally Posted by Tagrineth

I specifically mentioned R3 because they've made R3 more available for this exact reason once before.

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It is not hard to find a SMN to solo E-vase-ive Action KSNM30.

I went 1/4 on the scroll, ended up getting 1mil gil while "farming" that scroll.

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Originally Posted by Francisco

No need for this. The option to farm them yourself is there... and if you don't want to do that, you gotta pay someone to do it for you.

It's a source of profit for a lot of players.

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Eh, I'm split on this.

If this were 2009 or earlier I'd say it was stupid -- but you can express to 90 so quickly that not having ancient magic or (certain) Tier IV spells isn't a real issue. I went from 31 BLM to 90 in two days, and since I had SCH75 a few months after the job was released I had all of my spells already.

I will say that I'd like Quake to drop from more than just NMs, but they aren't anything crazy and can be solo'd easily at 90 so I can't complain too much. A slight increase in drop rate wouldn't hurt the profit too much considering most people are too lazy to head out there -- Dropping the prices down to 100-300k because it drops more often wouldn't hurt people's income much. It would actually probably increase it.

In this day and age, soloing spells isn't too hard, you just can't be lazy.

Spending more time getting a few spells than it did leveling the job is ridiculous if you're not BLU.

I don't see how rarity of spells enhances gameplay and enjoyment of FFXI. Corsair gets it pretty simple; go to npc, buy dice, end of story. Dancer gets it's abilities, well...

Scrolls should be readily available and affordable, particularly older ones. The rareness of certain WHM spells in days passed made for worse gameplay, not better. Give the blms a break!--and while you're at it, pup attachements could come from profoundly less obscure sources as well, but of course, all this entails SE listening to it's player base; talk about a rare drop indeed.

@KORPG, I like how you compare wild onions a more than common drop item, with ultra(whether NM and BCNM) rare spell like Quake or AeroIV. If a NPC were to sell a scroll for 100k players could still farm the rare scroll or sell enough regular scrolls to buy one. There also nothing stopping players from making 99,999 Gil off these scroll.
Playrs point to how easy it is to make Gil...but one of the easy ways of making Gil is charging a ridculous price for them in AH. Even when players try to drop the AH price forcing prices to go down Gil farmers just buy the "cheap" scroll and sell both at the exhorbinant price of 800k. Its called "Market Manipulation" or insider trading. Especially if this same groups are the only ones capitalizing camps and BCNM's.
If anything, this is the problem with Captialism in real life as well. Why simply get rich, when I can get richer? Where and when is enough, enough? I used this example under the "utsmemi NI" discussion...if a merchant was the only one selling milk and he was charging $1,000 dollars a gallon how long before people tore him apart? 100k is more than reasonable for any spells and most items also.