So i leeched my job to 90 in abyssea

lol I just realized how pointless it is to argue not Haste-whoring with people who also advocate Abyssea-leeching.

And if you know that 700 + 70 isn't the same as 10% damage output, then don't pull it in for comparison as though it were. Your earlier comparison suggested you weren't aware of this.

didn't you say that once already? I do not think anyone said that to begin with

10% more attack sure but not 10% more damage output

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I said 1 Abyssea-leveled WHM shouldn't be healing 5 DDs.
That said, no one should ever be bringing 5 DDs and 1 Abyssea-leveled Whm to anything anyways. Really.

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Fixed it for you.

Well it looked like on page 15 he was saying how that 10% added attack was no match for the extra whatever % damage calculation the added March gives.

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

lol I just realized how pointless it is to argue not Haste-whoring with people who also advocate Abyssea-leeching.

And if you know that 700 + 70 isn't the same as 10% damage output, then don't pull it in for comparison as though it were. Your earlier comparison suggested you weren't aware of this.

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Really? It's pointless when you haven't contributed a single thing this entire time? Oh, okay. Seriously. "Haste whores"? You're not making things any better for yourself. Going from 700 to 770 Attack is less than a 10% increase in damage, not more.

Now, I may not agree with Rambus about everything but at least he's applying actual situations to things. I asked you before and I'll ask you again, against what monster or in what situation would you use songs that were not March/March, and what would they be?

@Rambus, I just stun the Khimaira. People just brew him for the Empyrean upgrade items because it saves time, in my experience. Getting 75 horns is annoying enough, 200k cruor is no big deal if it shaves off 20-30~ minutes of fighting 4 Khims.

Edit: Leveling the old way doesn't make you miraculously able to cast Curaga IV at -50% Cast Time back to back. You can't break the hard cap on casting speed, nor can you break the forced delay after each spell. WHM can alternate Cure V and Cure VI to keep any one or two DDs alive without issue. They cannot apply that to 5 DDs together; no matter where they leveled.

It is +10% attack... where did he say 10% damage output?

on the other topic, dont have ss of unbuffed ws ><

it was complete crap >< shocked warcry added damage even after food and zerk.

replay to edit: (the "you" is directed to Tenshibaby)

the only thing extra experience can do to one person is judging precuring. I told you before leveling the old way does not mean you are atomically better then someone that leeched.

it is more likely but not always the case.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Going from 700 to 770 Attack is less than a 10% increase in damage, not more.

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If you think this is absolutely true it explains a lot about you.

And I manage to keep my parties cured quite well. Maybe in those "hopelessly unrealistic" situations where your Abyssea-leveled tank sucks, or your Abyssea-leveled haste-whoring DD's can't control their hate, maybe 1 WHM isn't enough to keep 5 DD's alive, but I've solo-healed full alliances before due to them being skilled players.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

It is +10% attack... where did he say 10% damage output?

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It is easily inferred the way he fit that into his comparison.

ITT: The game doesn't work by the math.

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

If you think this is absolutely true it explains a lot about you.

And I manage to keep my parties cured quite well. Maybe in those "hopelessly unrealistic" situations where your Abyssea-leveled tank sucks, or your Abyssea-leveled haste-whoring DD's can't control their hate, maybe 1 WHM isn't enough to keep 5 DD's alive, but I've solo-healed full alliances before due to them being skilled players.


It is easily inferred the way he fit that into his comparison.

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Attack has Decreasing returns. Where, in what dimension, on what planet, can a 10% increase in Attack correlate to greater than a 10% increase in damage? Seriously, you're beyond inept. What the hell sort of talk is this? "Haste whoring DDs can't control their hate"? Really?

And yes, I made an inferred correlation between Attack's relative increase and damage's relative increase. But I assumed that anyone with the ego you have would at least know the absolute basics of Attack and realize that 10% more attack must correlate to any number less than or equal to a 10% increase in damage. I did not give an exact value for the amount of damage increased because there was no example Monster specified to compare it to; I simply gave you the upper limit, putting things, yet again, in your favor.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

the only thing extra experience can do to one person is judging precuring. I told you before leveling the old way does not mean you are atomically better then someone that leeched.

it is more likely but not always the case.

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I agree it is not always the case, but to listen to these guys babbling you'd think the Abyssea leech is better until proven otherwise. After all, apparently, miraculously more people learn their jobs better by afk-ing for hours on end than those people who finished a good party 1/3 of the way closer to their next level.

I can say one thing about me leveling WHM as my first 75 over the course of a couple of years is that I have developed a semi-reliable internal timer where I have an excellent sense of when to re-cast things, if I am paying attention at least.