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Originally Posted by MarkovChain
You contradict yourself yet again too... earlier you said its impossible to kill ADL without PD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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Originally Posted by MarkovChain
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Originally Posted by MarkovChain
This means either your so selfcentered you believe only you are capable of killing ADL without PD, or you contradicted what you said earlier because before, ADL without PD was impossible, and now ADL is possible without ADL, you just make less.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
You made a thread on a relevant subject which people care about, which is a good reason to make one. At the same time, you address people with the same stupid "what you say is impossible because I cant see you do it" attitude, and contradicted yourself on that later by saying you apparently can do it, you will just make less money, and now are back to the "its going to be unkillable" side.
Its funny you try to say people are jealous when they have a valid point that it does in a way look like all your doing is trying to show off a sig no one cares about.
Perfect defense / embrava unbalance
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10-27-2012, 02:43 AMDemon6324236
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10-27-2012, 06:32 AMMarkovChainI know you are a bad troll and all you is post count +1, until the other part stops responding, but really, I don't contradict my self anywhere. ADL is not winnable without PD, and ADL is no longer winable at the same rate is what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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10-27-2012, 06:51 AMTaint2Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
LOL please stop trolling your own thread.
He is killable without PD, you just are too scared to try. If 12 people can do it, I'm sure the 18 man ADL groups will have zero trouble getting a decent win rate without PD. -
10-27-2012, 07:43 AMKarbuncleI'm going to actually side a little with Pchan here... Unless you can provide me with some evidence of a Successful non-PD ADL Kill that didn't end with 90% of the alliance dead and everyone screaming like they just killed AV in 2007, I'm going to contend that ADL is going to be next to/almost impossible without PD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taint2
I mean sure, You could get really lucky and win every so often, But without PD, It'd be so luck based that You'd have a better chance of reaching floor 100 in NNI with PUP, BLM, RNG than killing it with any respectable Win %.
As it stands, With our group, 1 Party (The best) Get PD, and we have a leftover that doesn't. By the first split, everyone in the secondary party is usually dead except maybe a THF who happened to Evade one of the TP moves. So while we're not completely losing PD, The idea that the event is all right without it is insane.
So to wrap up this.
Is ADL Doable without PD? Yes, It'd be significantly luck based and so unreliable that if it was the only method, Marrows would likely drop off the face of the earth.
Is ADL Still going to be PD Zerged? Yes.
There really is no way around it, ADL is a luck based content that was stupid to begin with and had terrible implementation and design, PD Just helped groups find a way around the idiocy of the Dumb luck system and Game-Over TP moves long enough to manage a kill now and again.
While on the subject, SagaSinger's drop rate is unreasonably low, I've probably farmed 50+ Marrows with my LS and never seen one, In all of their time doing it (before I joined), Only 1 has dropped, and thats with about 15 Completed 99 Relics or more... -
10-27-2012, 10:06 AMsaevelCome on Taint you know this isn't true. ADL isn't particularly hard but he does have stupid powerful moves that him and his clones do at the same time. Those moves have 30~40 foot ranges and will hit everyone in the engagement area. And while dynamis assault is a joke, Implosion, Tera Slash and Oblivion Smash are all wipes. There isn't just one moving going off, he will always split into two at a minimum (three if you brought him under 40%). The very first thing they do is a synch'd TP move, double Oblivion Smash's, double Tera Slash's / ect. Assuming your survive the first one, a few seconds later when your melee's give him TP he'll do another set of double TP moves, you won't be surviving those without PD.Quote:
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His HP isn't even that high, three really powerful DD's can burn him down, if they can live long enough to do so. -
10-27-2012, 01:48 PMIakothmyou contradict yourself in this post alone lol...Quote:
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10-27-2012, 04:09 PMPlasticlegNo one cares, you're a punchline.Quote:
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10-27-2012, 04:58 PMhiko
the nerf will come with shorter recast and the new 2H, all you'll need is time your astral conduit shock squall right before PD off
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10-27-2012, 06:51 PMMonchatTaint is trying too hard, just because pchan posts something he must prove it wrong. yet fails at it because no proof. There is so many things that could go wrong w/o PD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karbuncle
The only way is stun locking. Things that are guarranted to END your run ( those WILL happen because shock squal is not a consistant duration):
Breakga; can use it very early.
Tera slash: can killmultiple DDS at once (~50% chance). it is NOT frontal aoe it is aoe (DD from behind can die to it).
implosion: impossible to counter or stun.
tripple split if you kill too fast (likely with 18): 3 of the same TP move, unstunnable, at the same time. Dont tell me you can survive this. he can do triple tera slash...
Things that will likely end the run, but can be countered:
-ramuh killed, ramuh break'd, ramuh slept (takes 5 sec to resummon, ADL does 2 TP move in 5sec). avatars do not get PD, they will die constantly.
-death.
-slowga: strongger than haste/hastega, probably 30% slow. prety much cancels 2xmarches.
- synchronized spells and tp moves at low HP; aga4 do 1k dmg aoe. all this TP moves have additional effects (gravity, strong paralyze, dispel, knockback).
- dynamis assault (add effect break, see pchan's video in 1st post. wasted 15 sec of PD waiting for stona). Does it right away.
I should mention that a stun-locking strategy will no stun lock it in the first 40% because if you do it will split at exactly 59% instead of ~40%. Also you will not use embrava now (what kind of people need embrava AND PD anyway lol). -
10-27-2012, 07:17 PMMonchathis stats are the same as NQ DL(same HP) untill low HP where he gets access to tier 4 -ga/death/implosion. NQ DL can also piss you off whenever he wants if he wants to spam tera slash/ back to back tier 3-ga. He can also triple split (or double split , I forgot) if you kill too slow. I witnessed recently a bunch of gimp pt made of BSTs/THFs/WHM taking almost 30 minutes to kill it and it kept tripling.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
( we wiped 2 times in 500 pops due to all DDs dieing to tera slash).