This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

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Originally Posted by Umichi

deamon speaks upon experience.. he's been playing for eleven years... he doesn't need to do an event to not understand it.... why? because all it is is fighting!

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Finally someone gets it.... And that's all it becomes once you reach end game. Same routine, different conditions. In the end? Just more reasons to stare at the computer screen endless hours a day trying to watch graphics move.

@Thorbean I'm not even reading your replies. Waste of time lol. You go group up those haters and earn those awesome "likes"

How many times have we been at end game content lol? People thought level 50 was the end. Then 55. Then 60, then 65, and 70, 75.

Gawd I'm just sick of it already...

While you people think Tojil is the end... I was there when people thought King Behemoth was the end...

When Meteor one shot everybody on the map lol.

Personally I've just learned to ignore people who think their perspective is absolute... sure I'll talk with em but gah.....

Outside of that Deamon I play FF just to have fun it's one of my luxuries in life I pay for. FF has been with me since 7 and I <3 it! I feel your pain however I still play it because it's a game... to hell with getting the gear as fast as possible... specially when everyone tries to be carbon copies....

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Originally Posted by Umichi

Personally I've just learned to ignore people who think their perspective is absolute... sure I'll talk with em but gah.....

Outside of that Deamon I play FF just to have fun it's one of my luxuries in life I pay for. FF has been with me since 7 and I <3 it! I feel your pain however I still play it because it's a game... to hell with getting the gear as fast as possible... specially when everyone tries to be carbon copies....

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Yeah that's how I was playing FFXI. Taking my time to enjoy the content than speed right throught it as if DEV TEAM is going to pump out more every update.

Then when they stop adding content those who sped through it are going to complain and ask for more rather than accept that the vision of the expansion has an end.

Most fun I have is playing with JP LS. Can be any job and it doesn't matter. We play for fun. Not statistics. So what if items don't drop lol. We just play again. It's who you play with that counts.

I don't go back and help lower levels just to be nice. I go back to meet players I know someday will catch up and join the bigger groups later. Make friends and get to know the people who are playing on our server. After all its those people you do stuff with in the end.

It's not the end of the world lol. OMG I better get all my items before the world ends!!! Lol that's how I see people today.

King behemoth wasn't even on my screen when we all wiped out damn that meteor had such a godly range... And people crying over events today that its too hard or too long lol.

I remember when we actually had to rotate parties and drop dead people's to keep the fight going. All the dead people's had to run far off the map to unweaken, regroup and wait after new party formed ready for invite.

Once meteor went off that's when everyone had to reform and compete over losing claim to other HNMLS waiting to steal claim from you.

Lol those days were fun.

Damn lost claim, its ok we'll steal it back once they wipe lol.. Go send a paladin to watch them die. Lol

It's ok my mule is dead in the middle of the map lol..

Then take screenshots of everyone wiped out while KB on top of us.

Earn 75k Bayld to play 1 time is so hard compared to waiting on the map 1 week real time or spam checking Behemoths domain, sounding the siren to get everyone over to the map fast enough to claim boss before other LSs catch on and beat you to the chase.

Yeah I dunno what I'm talking about until I can get 17 other people to kill Tojil for me. Only til then I can make an opinion that matters.

Yeah, the Japanese shouts this morning really show how much better they are than NA players who just care about winning the fastest...

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[05:10:02] Platinumrose : ぬるぬるメナポモリマー参加希望者いらっしゃいませんか〜？6/18 ナ。コ。詩。学。竜。風できるかた大募集〜〜
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In case you can't read that, they are shouting for bard, scholar and dragoon... soooooo different from those evil NA players. Way different...

I wonder why they won't take a skilled thief or an awesome Dancer or a super sexy summoner... must be something I'm too culturally challenged to understand. It could't be because they are *Gasp* humans just like the rest of us with wants and needs just like the rest of us.

looks like they are filling the primary spots from the looks of the squigglies and your helpful explaination. Most JP do that vs Filling up then finding the crucial jobs.

and isn't that a shout for plasm run?

Every morning I get home from work and this thread is like Domino's.

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Originally Posted by Slaxx

Every morning I get home from work and this thread is like Domino's.

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Atleast you have something to read and reply to. Lately game has been slow? Forums have been dead too.

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Originally Posted by Umichi

looks like they are filling the primary spots from the looks of the squigglies and your helpful explaination. Most JP do that vs Filling up then finding the crucial jobs.

and isn't that a shout for plasm run?

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Yes, it is a plasm run. You can't really control what jobs people come as in WKR. You may have missed that part of the thread, but earlier it was asserted that JP are far superior to players from all other regions due to their ability to beat any event by allowing party members to come on whatever jobs they want and developing their strategies around the jobs they have instead of being stubborn and greedy like everyone else and insisting that people come on the jobs that work best for the event.

There are English speaking shells that don't care what job you come on because they care more about playing together than winning as well. They are generally known as "Social shells" and are not unique to the JP culture. You or Daemon may know a JP shell like this and may not know any British shells that are like this, but that does not mean that all JP shells / people are like this or that all British people are like that.

Using such a small sample size is an incredibly bad way to form an opinion about an entire race, culture or in this case language. It's a pretty bad way to form an opinion about pretty much anything really, but especially people. It really has no place here. Anybody who can spend 60 pages arguing this crap should have poked into the JP forums by now, taken a quick perusal using Google translate (if they don't speak JP) and realized that they complain about all the same stuff we do.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Easy to judge a shout. ... Just looking at that shout doesn't say anything.

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Yes it does. It says that they want the right jobs. These JP people aren't just going for fun and camaraderie like you claim that all JP people do. They are breaking your phony ethnic stereotypes and playing the game to win and obtain gear just like everyone else does.

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Originally Posted by Umichi

looks like they are filling the primary spots from the looks of the squigglies and your helpful explaination. Most JP do that vs Filling up then finding the crucial jobs.

and isn't that a shout for plasm run?

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An NM run is a plasm run. It's 9,750 plasm plus anything you get from fodder if you kill the I-V. Now that the general population understands the Delve NM mechanics and has better gear, it makes far more sense to farm plasm this way. Even under perfect conditions, you'd still be limited by respawns if you targeted fodder only. So this shout is very likely targeting NMs with the hope of also defeating Tojil for an additional 60k plasm on top of the 9,750.

With that in mind, he probably can't afford to invite more than a couple of "non-optimal" jobs.

I think you have all exhausted that conversation however....

Basically yeah. So far as drops go the two opinions which I believe were expressed are...

A: Items should be made 100% always so a person can cap out on gear for sure after 4~6 fights.

B: Items should not be made 100% however other rewards should be enticing enough to make it worth returning in the future rather than simply awarding you a pebble upon repeat unlucky kills.

I personally still side with A, and I believe Ultimas sides with B.

I just remembered, when Yumcax came out, JPs wouldn't even shout for it. They would somehow communicate to each other to gather en masse in Yorcia, and the only way an NA would know it was happening would be to constantly /sea the zone. The JPs actually went out of their way to exclude NAs by keeping the run on the down low.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Basically yeah. So far as drops go the two opinions which I believe were expressed are...

A: Items should be made 100% always so a person can cap out on gear for sure after 4~6 fights.

B: Items should not be made 100% however other rewards should be enticing enough to make it worth returning in the future rather than simply awarding you a pebble upon repeat unlucky kills.

I personally still side with A, and I believe Ultimas sides with B.

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I do side with B in the sense that if everyone got 100% drop, how long will people play the event? Unless I am misunderstanding please explain it to me. I think in 1 week the majority would end the event and anyone who was out of luck to login or did not play during the week everyone went to play and got everything they wanted, how many people will complain they cant get anyone interested enough to go back and play?

VW in its current state should show you this example. No one does this event because the items are now irrelevant. If players got everything they wanted from WR, eventually getting 150 people to join will continue to drop until no one is left to play.

Which would only make it harder for those who didnt play get what they need. Unless they can kill these bosses low man.

Then again tell me what you will do after WR becomes dead, Skirmish and Delve becomes dead?

What I do now, do Tojil daily with a friend, talk to friends, help people out, and make gil where possible so I can afford things I may need in the future. I gave up on WKs, I didn't complete the content, I gave up on it, which ended its life span where it was no matter if I had what I needed or not, which I don't. Skirmish is to much random with augments which gives me 0 incentive to keep going back, I know my chances at getting augments worth a damn are minor, so I rather not even waste my time. I need content to be progressive, not luck based, for me to be motivated to do it, because there is a trackable amount of progress in everything I do, which means in the end I will always get my reward, and a random number generator will not screw me.

So you ask what is there to do when WK Skirmish & Delve are dead? What I do now, because to me, they are already dead, I own all of the Delve gear except the Shark dagger & the bee accessories, and those I don't care about, the other 2 events are already dead to me.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

What I do now, do Tojil daily with a friend, talk to friends, help people out, and make gil where possible so I can afford things I may need in the future. I gave up on WKs, I didn't complete the content, I gave up on it, which ended its life span where it was no matter if I had what I needed or not, which I don't. Skirmish is to much random with augments which gives me 0 incentive to keep going back, I know my chances at getting augments worth a damn are minor, so I rather not even waste my time. I need content to be progressive, not luck based, for me to be motivated to do it, because there is a trackable amount of progress in everything I do, which means in the end I will always get my reward, and a random number generator will not screw me.

So you ask what is there to do when WK Skirmish & Delve are dead? What I do now, because to me, they are already dead, I own all of the Delve gear except the Shark dagger & the bee accessories, and those I don't care about, the other 2 events are already dead to me.

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Already dead to you. I know you go back and help others. But what happens when all of the events are dead to everyone else? And will everybody be as nice as you?

Personally I did not reach the point you are at. And I am not bored of Delve, WR and I am looking forward to playing skirmish once my heavy schedule changes.

Since these events are not dead. I know I can still join in and do it at random times.

Before SE made WoE easier. Every morning at 10AM EST I ran to WoE. Even though we only could get enough people to play once a day. It was something I knew I could join in every morning.

Then SE made it too easy to the point everyone slammed it to death and now everyone I knew and met, made friends and played WoE with no longer play anymore.

Sad.. I actually enjoyed the event until SE killed it.

People from WoE use to message me every morning asking if I wanted to play with them. This is what I meant by actually playing the game with people rather join instant groups with people you only play with for that event.

No time to get to know anyone except at the moment in question but that moment time wasted trying to figure out if the people in your group is experienced enough and know how to follow instructions than spend the time to actually have fun and do stuff together.

And the more people added to the equation makes it harder to get to know people.

It's likes showing up to a concert joining people with the same interest but you don't actually get to know anyone during the event.

Again I say, if SE made items drop 100% of the time every kill and you could cap out on gear in 6 kills, it would be no different than if you needed on average 15 kills to get every item. Why? Because on average everyone will kill it 15 times, so the average person who starts 3 months after its out, will have to kill it 15 times, just like the average person when it first came out, and that means that the majority of people will probably not get it if they started late. At the same time, if its 100% always, then theres a chance that someone will go back & assist, they know theres a good shot at you getting what you need, so their time wont be wasted, and they are not playing with nothing but luck. If you make it super luck based, people are less likely to go back for that reason, and less likely to help others, instead of helping and keeping it alive I think it more often than not hurts those who are slow to catch up because no one wants to go back & deal with luck to help a friend get something.

Another way to go about it would be to adjust the rates to be better every update, but that requires constant upkeep, and SE cant afford to do that these days on this game.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Again I say, if SE made items drop 100% of the time every kill and you could cap out on gear in 6 kills, it would be no different than if you needed on average 15 kills to get every item. Why? Because on average everyone will kill it 15 times, so the average person who starts 3 months after its out, will have to kill it 15 times, just like the average person when it first came out, and that means that the majority of people will probably not get it if they started late. At the same time, if its 100% always, then theres a chance that someone will go back & assist, they know theres a good shot at you getting what you need, so their time wont be wasted, and they are not playing with nothing but luck. If you make it super luck based, people are less likely to go back for that reason, and less likely to help others, instead of helping and keeping it alive I think it more often than not hurts those who are slow to catch up because no one wants to go back & deal with luck to help a friend get something.

Another way to go about it would be to adjust the rates to be better every update, but that requires constant upkeep, and SE cant afford to do that these days on this game.

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Lol I am not confident that people would go back and help others. If that was the case I would have seen it when people complained about Delve. And so many people I've helped wouldn't be saying how rare it is to see others help lower levels.

So many people complained they could not get into a plasm party.

You and several others wrote too many comments of how horrible WR is because it takes too long to kill bosses for crap loots and items. And then say you gave up all together doesn't help me understand how making an event easier so people can get their items guaranteed 100% is going to make people go back and help those who don't have anything.

Unless boss fight only took 30 minutes to kill and only 18 people requirement.

If it takes over 100 people to kill Yumcax and Hurkan and everyone except a minor average of 20-30 people per day needed to get stuff. How will it be trying to find over 100 people to help if people are complaining they can't even get 1 person to help them farm +2's?

Sorry but help me to understand because I'm just use to so many people turn me down and say

"Go solo it yourself"

If its a matter of feeling like their time won't be wasted, who is considerate and kind enough to still dedicate 10 hours to help someone if they are not getting something out of it?

Who is to say once everyone gets everything they want will even login anymore when the majority, if not all, accomplishments were made?

I mean I already stopped playing for now because I see it as pointless to rush through to the end only to be bored there's nothing else to do but sit in town all day.

Going on a SEVENTEEN HOUR Yumcax on Carbuncle...

Quite a bit excessive. Don't you agree?

And for another Pebble?

Not amused.

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Going on a SEVENTEEN HOUR Yumcax on Carbuncle...

Quite a bit excessive. Don't you agree?

And for another Pebble?

Not amused.

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Aftermath of FFXIV? I would assume DEV team would be aware that an adjustment needs to be made now that the conditions have changed due to lack of players available on the servers.

In my opinion though they are probably waiting for that free month of sub to run out on 14 to see who is going to stay or continue to play by pay.

Maybe then they can analyze to see how many FFXI players will return.

Yumcax finally ended.

Started around 6 PM EST yesterday, ended just shy of 11 AM EST today. /absurd.

And I got a lovely spider web to show for it *psyched*.

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Originally Posted by Karah

Yumcax finally ended.

Started around 6 PM EST yesterday, ended just shy of 11 AM EST today. /absurd.

And I got a lovely spider web to show for it *psyched*.

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Yeah this is an example of why Im not playing FFXI right now. And why I said I'm waiting for the drama to be sorted out first.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...876#post466876

I wonder how many joined in at 25% and got rare item?

I still somehow don't believe fights are going on this long... my server when people gather can down it in less than 2-3 hours which is quite something cause we sit at 50% in yorcia Would prolly only be an hour or so if we stayed capped....

Somehow you would be wrong if you didn't think morons can turn a 60 minute fight into a 24 hour wtfisgoingonfest.

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Somehow you would be wrong if you didn't think morons can turn a 60 minute fight into a 24 hour wtfisgoingonfest.

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I agree with you. It's possible lol.

Fights ARE still going on that long, due to diminished interest. It really depends on how long it takes to get enough CORs out there, and nowadays there are definitely fewer CORs interested than there were up until the first few weeks or so after the Order Up quest was released. (This isn't helped by the fact that Quick Draw receives a pitiful amount of bayld in reives, seemingly independent of the amount of damage that it does, meaning CORs will always get a crappy bayld return and will end up having to pay more bayld to do the fight than most other jobs there.)

Melees are overall way better geared and are far more capable of dealing with the trash mobs nowadays, but they still can't really do jack squat to Yumcax without soon being 1-2 shotted.

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Fights ARE still going on that long, due to diminished interest. It really depends on how long it takes to get enough CORs out there, and nowadays there are definitely fewer CORs interested than there were up until the first few weeks or so after the Order Up quest was released. (This isn't helped by the fact that Quick Draw receives a pitiful amount of bayld in reives, seemingly independent of the amount of damage that it does, meaning CORs will always get a crappy bayld return and will end up having to pay more bayld to do the fight than most other jobs there.)

Melees are overall way better geared and are far more capable of dealing with the trash mobs nowadays, but they still can't really do jack squat to Yumcax without soon being 1-2 shotted.

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Yeah I sense another adjustment coming soon. The DEVS already made a comment about adjusting the event by adding more to it.

I'm sure they will analyze the population and do something to make WR playable again.


(Before my words get twisted and thrown back in my face by others for cheerleading the DEV TEAM)

In a sense that its too hard right now due to the lack of people. I believe DEVs are smart enough to make adjustments before even more people lose interest in the event and in the game itself.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Fights ARE still going on that long, due to diminished interest. It really depends on how long it takes to get enough CORs out there, and nowadays there are definitely fewer CORs interested than there were up until the first few weeks or so after the Order Up quest was released. (This isn't helped by the fact that Quick Draw receives a pitiful amount of bayld in reives, seemingly independent of the amount of damage that it does, meaning CORs will always get a crappy bayld return and will end up having to pay more bayld to do the fight than most other jobs there.)

Melees are overall way better geared and are far more capable of dealing with the trash mobs nowadays, but they still can't really do jack squat to Yumcax without soon being 1-2 shotted.

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It's not even an issue of CORs anymore. BLM and SCH can kill things just fine. I find the biggest issue now is that tanks can't hold hate, either because they are dying or somebody else is over-nuking.

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Originally Posted by detlef

It's not even an issue of CORs anymore. BLM and SCH can kill things just fine. I find the biggest issue now is that tanks can't hold hate, either because they are dying or somebody else is over-nuking.

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This would be exactly something I would say.
And when I talked like this in my previous posts people get on my case for being ignorant and then start using examples like Tojil to make me sound unworthy to comment or know what im talking about.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

This would be exactly something I would say.
And when I talked like this in my previous posts people get on my case for being ignorant and then start using examples like Tojil to make me sound unworthy to comment or know what im talking about.

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Good lord, are you going to include that in every single post you make? You sound so butt hurt.

Bad things happen in every way you can imagine in WKR. I mention hate being iffy, but that can be caused by many things. Dying to overpowered AoEs, getting killed by adds, healers getting killed/debuffed by adds, tenuous hate due to overzealous DD. In some cases it's just strategy but in most cases it's just a case of insufficient manpower. All the other issues including mpk and afk are still omnipresent.

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It's not even an issue of CORs anymore. BLM and SCH can kill things just fine.

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Not very well, with the col% being as low as it is, at least on my server.

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Good lord, are you going to include that in every single post you make? You sound so butt hurt.

Bad things happen in every way you can imagine in WKR. I mention hate being iffy, but that can be caused by many things. Dying to overpowered AoEs, getting killed by adds, healers getting killed/debuffed by adds, tenuous hate due to overzealous DD. In some cases it's just strategy but in most cases it's just a case of insufficient manpower. All the other issues including mpk and afk are still omnipresent.

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What does this have anything to do with my response as to my reply from the one you made before that?

You criticize me about the examples I gave as defense to those criticizing me about playing 11 years doesn't merit a person knowledge to know how events work.

And now you are criticizing me about WR.

All bosses uses abilities, spells set on timers and conditions.

Big deal.

There is nothing new about bosses wiping out people in 1 or 2 shots. That's why I said King Behemoth did it back when those bosses were the end game.

And still people don't get that you don't need a PHD to understand this...

Then again you wouldn't be wiping out in 1-2 hits after you obtain all gear and weapons from WR and then go back and fight them again.


That's how progression works.

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It is the way of the paladin, you should be the first to die and the last to surrender.

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Best line in the entire thread right here.

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Not very well, with the col% being as low as it is, at least on my server.

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What's your colonization at? Ours is almost always around 50%.

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Bad things happen in every way you can imagine in WKR. I mention hate being iffy, but that can be caused by many things. Dying to overpowered AoEs, getting killed by adds, healers getting killed/debuffed by adds, tenuous hate due to overzealous DD. In some cases it's just strategy but in most cases it's just a case of insufficient manpower. All the other issues including mpk and afk are still omnipresent.

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Here let me rephrase my comment better.

All bosses have skills and abilities. Some bosses have skills that render a party completely helpless regardless of your level and gear. I've seen this by bosses like Chloris. And flux 10 in WoE.

Doom.

Then you have bosses that are impossible to fight as a DD. They debuff you to the point you can't move, can't run, or have a skill like enpetrify. Each hit petrify you.

I saw this from Mingyl in Flux 15 WoE. That's why playing job like BST and summoner is popular.

Then you have bosses that use instant AoE ability where everyone wipe out instantly. Like being level 50 fighting King Behemoth. Meteor instant wipe.

I never said PLD was ever useful for melee. Obviously the job was made to be a tanker. Great for kiting and holding off mobs to let people pass areas. Human Shield to prevent mass casualties.

Some bosses Banish help. Some bosses Dia III help. If boss hits are too strong obviously using Bio to reduce hit damage out weigh if not enough player have good defense.

Both Dia III and Bio don't stack and they can only overwrite each other based on Tier level.

Then you have people who don't know how elements work and how to stack 3 DOT spells.

Some bosses have condition where pet give power to boss like Provedence Watcher or the Wyvern in flux 7. Kill pet otherwise boss becomes impossible to fight.

Some bosses have time limits. Like Delve, NNI, Salvage.

Point is as long as you have the right team, well geared, right jobs, right strategy, no idiots or 1 man show to disrupt the strategy, enough players, then bosses were implemented with some way to accomplish win.

It's not impossible otherwise DEV TEAM would never implement an objective if there was no possible way to win.

Using the proper abilities, spells, anyone can figure out how to win.

This is the very reason Ive been practicing over 8 hours a day. To figure out what gear to reduce damage. To reduce Stone, Ice, Thunder, Wind, Water, Earth.

What spells boss is weak to like Ice deal more damage to Wind type monsters.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/wiki/Mobs...Weakness_Chart

People don't study this anymore since Skillchains parties have been thrown out the window.

I study jobs to see what spells and buffs can make a difference.

Bard with barstone, Shell V, Earth Carol I, II.
MDEF, MDT, MDB gear. Using Rune Knight abilities to bring magic protection.

Practicing kiting, dodging, and yes running out of distance from AoE spells. Remember when you did it at level 5? Bomb toss?

Although running away arms flailing in the air is only practiced in parties that wipe out. >.>

Gear swapping is a skill too.

What items to bring, weapons that give MP in emergency instances, food.

Knowing when to use a certain Subjob like Ninja to avoid spells.

If boss only cast single spells, obviously showing up with members with /NIN will make things easy.

This is what I was being criticized for. My experience and knowledge as if I'm someone who just joined the game, FC to 99 and have no right to speak.

Telling me I have to play the event long enough to say anything is irrelevant. If it can be won, then there is a way.

People complain when new boss implemented. Get the items and gear those boss drop first, go back and play it and then complain how hard it is was the point I was making.

In the end all bosses are bosses that use skills, abilities, and other conditions with the same objective. Fight, Kill and win reward.

Same concept, different conditions.

As for WR. Some people take half an hour or more to get to the place. Others take hours to get a party together and get everyone there.

If the boss takes 5-10 hours to kill, either lack of man power or lack of skill.

But in reality when 150+ players are able to join 1 boss fight, how long does it take all 150 people to get there and fight? To me if you got there early, you are holding the boss for others to arrive and participate.

Unless you expect boss to die in 5 minutes then the condition will be made to kill the same monster a million times to get your item.

Is that what you want?

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Unless you expect boss to die in 5 minutes then the condition will be made to kill the same monster a million times to get your item.

Is that what you want?

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No, and that's not proper balance either.

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No, and that's not proper balance either.

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Exactly. But that's exactly how it will be. Look at VW. The only reason you spammed less is because you had more bosses to fight, and a big storyline to go with it.

Stones replenishing or how much Gil you had to buy voiddust was the time limit used to stall.

Max Limit to 18 people.

This is why I said balance is like a rope with 1 person on 1 side and 1 person on the other.

If you adjust it to be good for 1 side, the other side will have it worse.

I'm sure every event DEVs make are intended to last as long as possible. Not 1-6 months but as long as it can last.

Now if WR and Delve were designed to be the only end game content with no further plans to add anything else from here on out, what will you do when you get everything?

Eventually the spoil cookie train will have to end. Unless you are expecting DEV Team to implement more and more content all the time?

See here's the issue, you keep talking about how doing 1 thing makes it worse on the other, as though they have no choice but to make the drop rates suck ass if the fight itself takes less than multiple hours. That isn't the case, you can make an event which is both rewarding, and keeps people active and enjoying themselves, rather than always having to have either a long battle with a good chance of reward, or a short battle with nearly no chance at reward.

If you want an example of this, Delve is the best one I can think of. Delve bosses take 30~45 minutes for a full run, they always drop 4 pieces of gear, 2 craft materials, and 3 Airlixirs, and yet people still do them a ton!

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See here's the issue, you keep talking about how doing 1 thing makes it worse on the other, as though they have no choice but to make the drop rates suck ass if the fight itself takes less than multiple hours. That isn't the case, you can make an event which is both rewarding, and keeps people active and enjoying themselves, rather than always having to have either a long battle with a good chance of reward, or a short battle with nearly no chance at reward.

If you want an example of this, Delve is the best one I can think of. Delve bosses take 30~45 minutes for a full run, they always drop 4 pieces of gear, 2 craft materials, and 3 Airlixirs, and yet people still do them a ton!

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Currently, in addition to obtaining rewards directly from defeating a Naakual, it's possible to obtain an item of your choice after fulfilling certain requirements for the Celennia Memorial Library. However, we'll be adding yet another way to obtain Naakual items by fulfilling requirements in content that is to be added in the future.

We'll also be adding geomancy and other magic scrolls, coupons you can use to exchange for Bayld, and other items that have a bit more value to the current material slot.

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Second, Delve bosses drop rank gear that is like dropping base item same as Nyzul, NNI, Dyna. Delve Megaboss gear is harder to obtain because the requirement based on time limit and the objective to kill all other bosses.

Which is harder for everyone to obtain. Not the same as WR where anyone can join in at 15% and do minimal work and still get a chance to get item.

Or do a quest and get 1 item guaranteed.

When everyone gets these all of items what will be the outcome of power the entire community will have?

What other goals will be left after everyone gets these items?

I wonder how high the ladder will continue to go up?

Then again its easy to earn 30k plasm in 4 delve runs. Which anyone can buy 1 delve in less than half a day.

Delve has a variety of items compared to WR. Which I still think WR weapons are like obtaining something like REM. you are asking for these to drop like water.

Am I the only one here that thinks rare items are worth the effort??? Meant to last? The reward of earning a difficult item separates you between others in power? That your reward of that power was given because you earned it???

Making things effortless only for everyone to reach the end again? That's why too many REM people complained endlessly.

It's like if it wasnt bad enough that everyone who spent over a year earned a relic and spent 200+ mil Gil to make one only to see everyone get a Nakuul weapon drop without any effort. Because that was what you are saying why cant these items drop 100% like Delve?

This game blows already for going in the direction of so much convenience, instant gratification.

It's like what will happen if you see everyone running around with a Yagrush??


People already speeding to the end faster than ever. You want everyone to speed past to the end again? The more power you gain, the faster you will play the game. And then you wonder why DEVs make these fights to be so long.

All other content is dead. Want SoA to be dead too? That's the way I see it happening after everyone is done getting all the rewards.