Add New Jobs to Relic Weapons - Past Due for an Explanation

Considering they've planned their updates out as far as March, they're pretty much saying nothing more than "We've thought of doing this, however we currently have not allocated the time to implement it". They've got a whole new zone planned so I imagine they're quite strapped for extra time.

Best case scenario they change their mind, but I don't think they'll buck the trend of Relic weapons representing each weapon type rather than job - the furthest they could go I imagine is adding a Relic Grimoire and Animator for the ammo slots of Scholar and Puppetmaster. Adding what would effectively be copies of existing weapons just to make people work harder is highly unlikely (and when I say make people work harder I mean us and the developers).

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Mandau triple damage favors a DNC far more than the ODD from Twashtar because a DNC doesn't spam RS unless they want to gimp their damage. In abyssea they spam Evisceration and outside they spam DE. They get to use RS once every 90 seconds when climactic flourish is up. That's 30% ODD 33% of the time at optimal performance which is not gonna happen vs. 12% Triple damage 100% of the time. MATHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

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Empyrean ODD can proc on the second and third hit of double and triple attack, the ODD/ODT on relics can only proc on the first hit.

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Originally Posted by Sotek

SE practically confirms what I'm saying when they said they're thinking about putting new jobs on Relic weapons.

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What they actually said was that they aren't going to do it. "we considered it but have no current plans to do it" has always been SE speak for "hell no we're not doing that"

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

What they actually said was that they aren't going to do it. "we considered it but have no current plans to do it" has always been SE speak for "hell no we're not doing that"

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Expect you know, the whole level cap thing I just said 3 posts ago.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Empyrean ODD can proc on the second and third hit of double and triple attack, the ODD/ODT on relics can only proc on the first hit.

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I'm aware of this but it doesn't effect DNC that much outside of abyssea as they don't have a particularly high DA or TA rate without atmas. 13% DA (23% if /war) and 3% TA? I may be forgetting a bunch of gear since I haven't leveled DNC because it can't use Mandau. But.. using those numbers:

1000 attack rounds 1283 swings
Twashtar - 128 ODD procs
Mandau - 120 Triple procs - Equivalent damage increase of 180 ODD procs.

In abyssea with 23% DA and 28% TA (Apoc and AO)

1000 attack rounds 1790 swings
Twashtar - 179 ODD procs
Mandau - 120 Triple procs - Equivalent damage increase of 180 ODD procs.

Now RS will do more damage with Climactic flourish because of it's stat mod and the atmas your are using inside abyssea but then you have to look at the fact that the DEX you get from Twashtar amounts to almost nothing but a WS mod since your dDEX and acc will be capped. Your pDif however will not and there just happens to be 35 att on mandau and increased crit rate from the MS aftermath. In abyssea I would say they are too close to call but outside, from my perspective, Mandau takes the lead for DNC.

All this favors Twashtar by quite a bit too because it assumes you are never not fighting and you never have to wait on timers or TP and your aftermath is never up while you are moving to a new mob and you never kill the mob with the first swing on your main hand. In other words a situation which does not exist. It also assumes /war which may not always be the case.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Expect you know, the whole level cap thing I just said 3 posts ago.

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So they might change their minds 5 or 6 years down the road. But for the forseeable future, they aren't going to do it.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

So they might change their minds 5 or 6 years down the road. But for the forseeable future, they aren't going to do it.

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Nope, all it means is while they wont do it now, doesnt mean they wont ever. They have said this many times before about other things as well. When they actually mean they wont, they don't even say that they have looked into it. They just say "the development team has no desire to add this"

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

So they might change their minds 5 or 6 years down the road. But for the forseeable future, they aren't going to do it.

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This is really bothering you deeply isn't it? It's like you're trying you're hardest to hope this will never happen.
What will you do if it does happen?

I'd say they should worry more about correcting the issues with the weapons themselves. Only a handful of them are worth getting over their mythic/empyrean counterparts. A lot of them suffer from a poor aftermath and/or a poor WS.