Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Expansions/Addons shouldn't make everything else completely useless, there should be a reason to complete all that other content still.

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while I definitely don't want a WoW vs. FFXI debate, nor do I want to say that FFXI has to be like WoW, BUT

They've done this with a lot of expansions in WoW. How many people are in shatt? or in dalaran? maybe like 3 people happening to pass by on a random quest.

A lot of those dungeons are never used unless someone is randomly leveling in there.

Now again ffxi doesn't have to be like WoW, but WoW does prove that out-dating content =/= a dying game. Basically, all I want to point out that sometimes it's ok to outdate content and it's not the end of the world (or the game).

Aku if you think level is real content go play FF14 thats pretty much the only real content it has. Real content is missions story lines and gear. Nothing stoping people from doing the story lines Now before you say no reward for people to do it it also work the other way too. Even with reward but needing the perfect set up to win missions put a fair amount of people off. Thats also why people told new player don't bother with CoP at level caps cause you'll need a 75 to beat some the missions and other jobs better for other missions if you didn't pick WHM as you first job.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

What about people who don't have access to AoE spells? Like, every job besides BLM? Is it fair to them that I can get my trial done in less than half the time that they do? Isn't that your whole argument? A small number of people getting to 90 faster than most other people? I made the connection, I'm sure a lot of people who has/will read this have made the connection. Why not you? Maybe you see the connection and don't want to admit it, because that would be detrimental to your whole argument.

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It's a very small connection and is incomparable with the ability to Skyrocket every single job in the game from Lv30 to Lv90 in less than 1 month. That's why it's fanatical.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Those are the most popular camps, and usually those are the ones that get filled up first. Some oldschoolers might fight in Eastern Altep Desert at level 30, maybe Kazham at 25, but those are rare now, since its much faster to get exp in Qufim and Colibri camps.

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Very subjective. It may be "easier" to get EXP in those camps, but not "faster".

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Originally Posted by Korpg

I wonder why, though, you feel like controlling everyone's enjoyment. By telling people "this is the right way, you have to do it this way or you are doing it wrong, you are cheating, you are undermining my entire experience and I want you to quit right now because you are a bad player" sounds a little like Hitler. Are you going to be all "Third Reich" on us and demand "Perfection of FFXI" and the "liberation of leechers everywhere"? Because thats what I'm getting from you.

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Again, more fanaticism.

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Originally Posted by Kensagaku

I would like to quote this post. Bolded for emphasis. Also only two days, didn't even make a week. Called it~

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Another disgusting childish response, that made me want to stop posting in the first place.


You're right though.
I am an idiot for continuing this. You can quote me on that too.

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Originally Posted by Aliekber

Panthera, you are a classic Scrub. Read the article, become enlightened, change your life.

If something isn't against the TOS, it isn't cheating. Per. I. Od.

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God damn you! I've been clean for months and now I've got 50 tvtropes tabs open again and it's all your fault.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

God damn you! I've been clean for months and now I've got 50 tvtropes tabs open again and it's all your fault.

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"Hi. My name is Aliekber and I'm a tropeaholic."

Good thing there is a finite number of tropes, so sooner or later it'll be over, right?

RIGHT?!?

Akujima, I'm just calling it as I see it.

Your posts dictate a controlling attitude, and I'm not the only one who has said that. I just finished reading up to my first post on this thread on page 54, and I still see that you two are not really making any sense anymore. Almost all of your posts from page 40 onwards has been nothing but defensive and nonconstructive, most of which have given me a headache! Should I bill you for the aspirin I took just to read your posts?

Just admit that this argument is void now, stop replying to this thread, and it will eventually die down.

Also admit that you need to change your attitude towards others. I suggest therapy, but that might cost too much. I see a lot of troubled times ahead of you though.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

God damn you! I've been clean for months and now I've got 50 tvtropes tabs open again and it's all your fault.

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It caught me too. I thought I was the only one. I'm glad I'm not alone in my struggle with this addiction.

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Originally Posted by Romanova

while I definitely don't want a WoW vs. FFXI debate, nor do I want to say that FFXI has to be like WoW, BUT

They've done this with a lot of expansions in WoW. How many people are in shatt? or in dalaran? maybe like 3 people happening to pass by on a random quest.

A lot of those dungeons are never used unless someone is randomly leveling in there.

Now again ffxi doesn't have to be like WoW, but WoW does prove that out-dating content =/= a dying game. Basically, all I want to point out that sometimes it's ok to outdate content and it's not the end of the world (or the game).

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Also, there ARE still reasons to complete that older content; the fact that direct and indirect mission rewards like Rajas, Suppanomimi, Brutal Earring, Sea Gorgets, and so forth have held up a lot better than most other 75 gear is not a coincidence. MKE/ASA/ACP augments are still a godsend for specialized macro gear, as well, to say nothing of old-content synthetic atma.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Very subjective. It may be "easier" to get EXP in those camps, but not "faster".

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It is in every way both easier and faster.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Also, there ARE still reasons to complete that older content; the fact that direct and indirect mission rewards like Rajas, Suppanomimi, Brutal Earring, Sea Gorgets, and so forth have held up a lot better than most other 75 gear is not a coincidence. MKE/ASA/ACP augments are still a godsend for specialized macro gear, as well, to say nothing of old-content synthetic atma.

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I've seen more people doing sky in the last month than the previous 2-3 years as well.

And Dynamis, well, there's always people in Dynamis now.

I wonder why community reps don't post in threads like this? Is it because they would agree with all the sensible people, and pretty much tell the AnitAby ppl they're wrong? That would probably make them /wrists and that's bad for business I suppose.

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Quote Originally Posted by Aliekber View Post
Panthera, you are a classic Scrub. Read the article, become enlightened, change your life.

If something isn't against the TOS, it isn't cheating. Per. I. Od.

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I just read that article, and wow it's so dead on I like it.

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Scrubs may also put down others who use certain characters/teams/etc. for simply using them like everyone else is using in order to win. In other words, they don't like it when people use something that everyone else is since it's not "original" and will even go as far as accusing these people at sucking at the game for not using anyone or anything besides the top tiers.

Combined with the Noob, a scrub can quickly turn into a God Modder.

The Scrub is the antithesis of the Stop Having Fun Guy, although one could argue that the two are very similar — Stop Having Fun Guys demand that everyone use the most efficient and powerful choices (with failure to do so considered proof of inferiority), while Scrubs insist that everyone follow their personal house rules (with failure to do so considered cheating). Both make the mistake of taking things very seriously, both are more than willing to start a Flame War rather than let the other exist in peace, and both are eager to assign anyone to the side of their enemies who doesn't agree with their style of play (if you're not a Scrub, you must be a Stop Having Fun Guy, and vice versa).

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That ^ is dead on to pretty much all of what Pan has been trying to accomplish in their posts. (I don't think it will ever sink in though) Pan. claims to have read it, but obviously it was ignored. Thanks for the link Aliekber :P

It only took Akujima a few pages before posting a buncha stuff again? Hmm, I thought he had abandoned this thread because he realized the forums were about 5000:12 against changing the entrance level. I didn't bother to read the last few pages, I've already done my fair share of reading in this thread.

Has he backpedaled his position? Is he still preaching about the evils of easy exp/lack of lolLowLvContent? Is he copypasta-ing thesaurus terms that he thinks make him look cool? Is he debating the meaning of the word "the", in an attempt to twist it into something that somehow makes us sound like we have double standards, and enjoy cheating our way through life? Someone bring me up to speed with a slightly comical rehash of the last 5 pages prs, possibly in musical format.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiRjy...ature=youtu.be there you go XD

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Someone bring me up to speed with a slightly comical rehash of the last 5 pages prs, possibly in musical format.

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I think Bohemian Rhapsody is just about perfect.

To be honest I think the main problem is he doesnt seem to be able to discern between leeching and keying.

This thread is hilarious. Also, check the tags...

I just added "muffins" for max taggage

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Akujima, I'm just calling it as I see it.

Your posts dictate a controlling attitude, and I'm not the only one who has said that. I just finished reading up to my first post on this thread on page 54, and I still see that you two are not really making any sense anymore. Almost all of your posts from page 40 onwards has been nothing but defensive and nonconstructive, most of which have given me a headache! Should I bill you for the aspirin I took just to read your posts?

Just admit that this argument is void now, stop replying to this thread, and it will eventually die down.

Also admit that you need to change your attitude towards others. I suggest therapy, but that might cost too much. I see a lot of troubled times ahead of you though.

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No...No.. Therapy is good.
I don't see a problem with that.

yeah, Tags are overdoing it guys >.>

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Originally Posted by Olor

I just added "muffins" for max taggage

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Ya I had created that tag when I wanted to start a healthy discussion about muffin preferences, but the forum police deleted all mention of muffins because they said I was intentionally derailing the thread.

I actually think it was very on-topic because muffins DO NOT CHEAT. They are sugary and delicious, and they didn't need to experience low level content or grind unnecessarily to be moist and wonderful. And neither do we. We are all moist and delicious snowflakes in our own way, regardless of if we killed 750 crabs/colibri or if we opened 500 chests. And so it is with muffins. You don't need a fancy oven. All you need is a 45 watt bulb. The main ingredient though, was love. -Murphy

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Talk about Self Confidence.

So then why don't we make every zone look the same? Heck why are there even color tones in the game, I'm sure the game would be just as interesting if every character was the same height, same color and composed of crude easily thrown together pixels... Sheesh...

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What an unbelieveably retarded comment. I mean seriously? Did you really write that? In fact its so unbelieveably stupid I really dont want to read the rest of your post, but I'll give it a quick skim over so you dont say "you didnt read it because you know im right" or some other rubbish.

Ok, so it appears you ignored the rest of my post and wrote some rubbish about /drg in the early levels. Firstly: dont kid yourself, you did not start a trend. Secondly: cool story bro. Thirdly: Tropical punches are a terrible weapon for level 40. Fourth: it appears from that gearset and your comment below it that you do not gear swap - suck less.

Now, back on topic. I'm actually going to answer your retarded question now:
Why dont we make everything gretscale and look the same? Because firstly I would like to refer you back to the key point of my last post "not everyone likes the same things". And secondly: because there is content outside of leveling. Some people see leveling as a means to an end. After they reach that end, they might want to go to different zones and do different things.

So next time you reply to me, please try to A) Not post stupid rhetorical questions, and B) Actually respond to the points in my post instead of typing some irrelevam\nt story about cookie cutter crap.

This reply may be 50 pages overdue, but I've had better things to do than argue on an internet forum.

Well, the problem with leeching is it kills the gaming experience for people who do not want to leech. If SE is going to continue down this path they should at least make monsters not so overpowering in abys, so that people can be able to solo them for seals and stuff, since no one else wants to help out. They should also make it easier for people who are soloing in areas outside of abys that can't get in a regular party. I thought the exp increase would help, but it doesn't. A person should be able to get anywhere from 300 to 600 exp at least when they solo, so that they may lvl up their jobs by themselves without worry. The game needs to be made more soloable and less party necessitated. I remember when I had to find other people to help me out on some of the missions and it was a pain to even get them.

jamieg everything you wrote has been gone over and debunked. Also many of the seal NMs can be soloed and theres quest that gives out seals, body and hands seals come from ops pages. Reason you can't find people to help is game is 9 years old people get tired of doing them over and over for new people. I can only think of A few missions at 90 you need help with all can be with 2 or 3. Also those that don't want to leech are really just to lazy to put thier own parties together to leech. Don't have keys get two other leechs to pop chest till you build little crour up. Doesn't take long on pages. Whole pages on wiki tells you everything you need to know to put a party together for abyssea.