Oh sweet, thank you for the translated reply that the japanese got nearly two weeks ago :)
This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.
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09-06-2013, 05:09 AMOmnysValefor
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09-06-2013, 05:22 AMDemon6324236
Good point... -_-;
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09-06-2013, 05:31 AMMnejingHmm whats this? Just a re-iteration anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmnysValefor
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09-06-2013, 06:09 AMDaemon
Sigh its better than nothing.... You guys got your reply. I knew it would come anyways. And was nice debating with you. If it took 60 pages to get a reply, minus all the responses I made to contribute reaching those 60 pages.
Atleast our debates lets them see our different points of view of the matter in detail. -
09-06-2013, 06:27 AMDemon6324236
Sad thing is, it still does nothing to prevent the 5~10 hour wait times some people experience with this event unless the rewards they add are truly amazing, and given often. What I mean is, they can give out Meteor & Arise, rarest spells in the game, and it wont matter in a week because the supply will be so high they crash, same with anything else. However if its to hopeless and no one can get it, like items are now, or they are to frequent, no one will do it anyways. So really this doesn't seem like it will do much of anything for the fight itself, only possibly making the rewards less hell to obtain hopefully.
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09-06-2013, 06:37 AMDaemonNo but the point I was making. Community reps do read and respond. I'd imagine if people don't trash the Dev team and staff they might respond sooner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
Or wait to get enough comments in the discussion from several people and not just 3-5 people only.
Also my point I stated long in the beginning is that content can be adjusted anytime. Just can't expect it to happen without analyzing how the event works out.
Especially can't expect them to adjust it again straight away after already making adjustments.
Feedback also takes time to analyze. That's why I kept saying he patient.
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09-06-2013, 06:39 AMFrankReynoldsWell, it sounds like there will be trials of some sort for gear or items. So it may be something like another form of KI currency like plasm, bayld, ISP, AN etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
That would be good, because then everyone walks away with something. I just hope they don't botch it like colonization reives where one group can rape everything before anyone else has a chance to get evaluations / points. -
09-06-2013, 06:44 AMDaemonI wish they'd implement the point system I suggested...Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...E-Point-System
Maybe we can move over to that thread now and debate until we get a response lol.
Since the goal of this topic got accomplished. -
09-08-2013, 02:55 PMDaemonI'm sure you guys are bored now that the concern about WR has been answered. However since you question my experience. I've fought Tojil and yes I've yet to succeed in winning the fight. Although my LS is an NA Delve Linkshells. Many have succeeded however I have not been in game logging in playing as much as I've been too busy working over 80 hours a week doing technician work on computers during the day and DJing at night however.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmnysValefor
That doesn't mean by now after playing 11 years and like most people I use to login and at some points throughout the years I did play more than 16 hours a day that should qualify enough knowledge, experience to know how the mechanics of a fight works.
Its not my fault that I joined a team that failed. Not because I didn't do my part but because when playing with half an LS with the other half of the members unknown, team work is not based on practice or knowledge. We spent most of the time having some members try to figure out how they should contribute to the fight.
We did almost beat Tojil, but we screwed up with mata in the start that lead to failure.
On top of that our RDM did not keep blind up on pieste which made the party messy and lack of proper team work and lack of proper communication and leadership.
It does not take higher education to know how to fight any boss regardless of the level in question. However what I argue is that why people assume complaining about failure is reasonable when the result of that failure could be due to improper skill, equipment, teamwork, leadership, strategy?
Further more when I see DEV Team implement a boss or event and give you gear and weapons as a reward, I see that its meant to be easy after all player obtain such gear from these bosses. Obviously the challenge is before obtaining such drops. This happens with all content and is the reason why people stop playing the event after all items are achieved. Your power will surpass the boss in question after getting all rewards.
Meaning try to fight the bosses when everyone is well geared and ready than base automatic judgement that the event sucks before making the full effort. If others are doing it, and people are killing these bosses then the task is not impossible. The task is time consuming because its not meant to be easy until everyone on the server get the rewards and go back and help others win.
Had my team practiced and knew how to work team work first we would have beaten Tojil.
Then again has I not been working over 80 hours a week and logged in and played as much as you guys I would probably be further advanced than you. Why? Because I am one of the most stubborn hardcore player you will ever meet. Even if I have to stay up 3 days in a row to advance. I've done it many times. And I know how to accomplish goals without wasting time.
Coruscanti? It was an impossible system that would take me pages upon pages as to why it was impossible. Although if I was extremely serious about than join 6-10 groups a day, I could have spent that time farming and bought cells long time before the event was killed.
I just know I'm a good enough player to be patient, have the drive and dedication beyond any player and know how to manage my time in getting things done not to complain about anything.
And just because I did not join a party and win Tojil yet doesn't mean you are more superior and know more than me. 11 years of experience should be enough to know what to look for in every fight. And I do have knowledge to study the fights, communicate with others, read and research strategies, practice and lead a succesful event.
But when doing an event with various people and often times random members. Not everyone had the proper skill, equipment, knowledge and listen well to instruction. And sometimes leadership is lacking.
This is why failure happens in many parties. Not because you should single me out as if I'm not skilled enough to win.
All bosses in game were meant to be beaten. My take though is that I try to figure out how it can be done with minimal people possible using any job and any skill.
You may think Stun is the only way. My thinking is what if we did not have stun. What if we tried a different odd setup. How can it be done with all jobs.
I don't stick to what works. I try to find different ways to accomplish something opposed to how others do it.
You never know unless you try other ways. Thinking only a certain way is the only way only keeps you limited in everything you do.
If you feel like bashing me for my way of thinking or grouping up to criticize and hate on me go ahead but I refuse to believe it is impossible to have different setups, different strategies using different jobs.
The way us Asians think especially in Korea. We try to figure out the impossible and make it possible. Even if we have to be determined and dedicated until the goal is accomplished.
This is how we enjoy every single game. The challenge doesn't end with only beating a boss. The challenge for us is how do we beat the boss with every job. And we try to do it with least amount of members in the group.
My JP LS leader even question why NA players thinks Quantity over Quality? Obviously more players mean less control, less organization.
If we can accomplish the impossible then the reward is the reaction from others.
My country beat diablo in 7 hours upon release.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Dia...rea,15649.html
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4210101118
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5149005645
Don't underestimate us Koreans.
If I had the right team skilled and knows how to work as a team. I would have figured out the ins and outs of every detail on how to accomplish all boss fights. Our determination is beyond belief.
Even Korean motto is that while our time zone is 1 day ahead of NA, we also work 1 day harder from Mon-Sat every week.
Compare to 9-5 Mon-Fri.
Although law changed in 2004, adjustment integrated in our culture does not change with everyone. I grew up in Korea working 7 days a week for no salary 5 years. No vacations, and no fixed schedule, with no Holidays, working overtime many times per day. My reward was to be a successful DJ/Remixer in charge of a DJ Promo company that only 1 person out of 2 companies in all over Korea had that position. Sacrificing money for one of the most important jobs not everyone have an opportunity to do.
Point is, I set a goal and accomplished to most the impossible. Regardless of what sacrifice had to be made.
Every job I work 3 times harder than any employee. Regardless if I am not required to do more than the requirement of that job.
Determination, sacrifice, patience, knowledge, networking, leadership, all important skills that even in any game can help a person succeed.
Management taught me organization skills.
Time management course in college taught me how to get things done most effeciently and effectively.
http://www.forbes.com/2008/05/21/lab...countries.html
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09-09-2013, 12:09 AMFrankReynoldsYour country didn't beat diablo III. A few people did. Your country went to work, school, etc. just like everyone else in the world. Stop trying to take credit for other peoples achievements. Nationalism is another form of prejudice just like racism. Knock it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
As for your other analogies and stories...
How would you like it if some kid who remixed a puff daddy song on his macbook in his moms basement once started telling you that getting rich off DJing is super easy and that you just need to suck less? Because that's how you sound. Telling people that they are the problem when you don't actually know. -
09-09-2013, 01:28 AMDaemonI wouldn't know. I don't listen to puff daddy music. I don't live in my moms basement. And I don't skim through people's comments and judge them for something they are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
Before you make such a subtle judgement conclusion of what you think of a person you should make sure you know the facts. I never knew my father because he died before I was born. I haven't seen my mother in over 13 years and most of my childhood I've been through foster homes because my mother could not work and raise me on her own. So all my life I have working hard and raising myself to be independent putting myself through school and college.
So if you want to continue assuming you know about me. Enlighten me and continue to repeat these judgements that others have used over and over on others like a poor excuse played as broken records.
I said know our culture then maybe you would understand me better.
Obviously you rather judge people than get to know different cultures. And this is why many people don't want to stay and be around negative people like you.
I never took credit for anyone's achievements. The example of Diablo III was an example of how us Koreans are hardcore gamers.
People who knows me on Phoenix knows I'm a hardcore gamer.
DJing maybe super easy to those who only buy an iPod and press play. But I assure you its not easy being that real DJs take over $30,000 investing in personal gear and music. And 20 years of experience mixing shows a significant difference in performance compared to your "It's easy to DJ and you can get rich quick" assumption.
DJ life is one of the most poor lives to live. We invest most of our salary buying music. But you wouldn't know that because you automatically judge that every DJ has it easy like Afrojack and SMH.
You have no idea what you are talking about and its insulting. Go watch Danny Tenaglia and compare him with Afrojack and come back and make your assumption again.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p09T0WRklHY
Til this day Mainstream instant fame DJs have ruined a beautiful art basing music on instant gratification and convenience than knowing what house music really is about.
Taking over house music and incorporating it into pop and then calling it house music.
Unless you've DJd long enough to know how the business really works then I could be open minded on your opinion.
At first I enjoyed our debates. But after reading that comment. I lost respect for you.
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09-09-2013, 01:53 AMdetlef
Ha, you're such a hypocrite. You judge us as much as you say we judge you. The only reason you feel like you're the one being persecuted is because you've gone out of your way to put yourself out there. Nobody would make fun of your gaming class if you hadn't mentioned it. Nobody would make fun of your DJing if you hadn't brought it up. Nobody would question your skills or the skills of your linkshell if you hadn't shown so little experience with current content. If you are going to brag about how great your skills are, wiping to Tojil makes it hard to take you seriously.
Basically, the more you put yourself out there, the more you leave yourself to be judged. If you talk about how great you and your linkshell are, people will question it.
Anyway, I snuck into a 35% Yumcax (even though I said I would never go back) and got Buremte Gloves so I guess you were right the whole time. It was a 10 hour fight. -
09-09-2013, 01:57 AMDaemonI guess its not meant to make friends on the forums. Since people don't interact with each other and do stuff together hiding behind a sprite, its easier to treat people like they don't matter and put someone down for more "likes"Quote:
Originally Posted by detlef
There is a difference between bragging and defending myself. Obviously I was defending myself due to encountering attitudes like
"You don't know jack because you couldn't join a decent party to beat Tojil so I know more than you and refuse to think you are up to my level until you do."
"And just because you've played 11 years doesn't mean anything, your a noob and we are better than you. Until you beat Tojil, we are more superior than you."
Grats on your gloves by the way.
Maybe 10 hour fight, but in reality you are holding the boss that long so others can join in and play too.
I get that a lot. But It never has to be this way if people were a little more patient than jump to conclusions and pay attention to detail.Quote:
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09-09-2013, 02:55 AMDemon6324236This has nothing to do with likes, it has to do with attempting to voice an opinion, and in this case most peoples opinion is that your looking like a fool due to what you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
There is a difference between bragging and defending myself.
No one said this, everyone asked if you had beaten Tojil because you were claiming that it could be done in a party setup which would not make it to Tojil, let alone kill it. To make such claims always brings up the question of if you have ever even fought it because the claim is that far out of what people deem to be realistic. You made an outrageous claim, which in this case made you sound like you flat out haven't done it, and have no idea what your talking about. It would be like if with WKs someone said that the fight was easy and fast and always rewarding. Its not people saying 'Get on my level noob!' its people saying 'What? Have you even done that content? That's not even close to realistic!'Quote:
"You don't know jack because you couldn't join a decent party to beat Tojil so I know more than you and refuse to think you are up to my level until you do."
"And just because you've played 11 years doesn't mean anything, your a noob and we are better than you. Until you beat Tojil, we are more superior than you."
There is no justifiable reason a small group of players should need to stand in a small area with a highly dangerous NM & its minions until an army arrives to help because they are 'holding the boss that long so others can join in'. If I get on FFXI, I should be playing FFXI, not joining a WK so I can afk inside the WK for 7 hours until the right amount of people are there for us to actually put up some kind of fight, then play a single repetitive fight for the nest 2~3 hours just so I can get a log or pebble.Quote:
Maybe 10 hour fight, but in reality you are holding the boss that long so others can join in and play too.
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09-09-2013, 02:57 AMDemon6324236You get that a lot, but you didn't get the sarcasm in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
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09-09-2013, 03:10 AMDaemonHe got his gloves no? You guys got your response from the DEV Team no? I guess complaining miserabley and being negative is healthy and feeling depressed all the time rubbing it off on others is good for the community and the people around you. Even if it means destroying your friends in the process?Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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09-09-2013, 03:15 AMDaemonUgh get your facts straight. I already said I assumed we were talking about WR the whole time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
I mean that's the topic discussion of this thread no???
NOT TOJIL.
I even said if you want to talk about Tojil then everything I said would become irrelevant. Tojil is a time limit event.
Unlike WR where using various jobs and strategy can work.
Instead of listening to me, you guys are too busy trying to dawg me. Insult me and make me look a fool. Ignoring what I said and making wrong assumptions only to feed each other the fire to go against me.
And I'm assuming the hate meter is enough for me to not even bother logging ingame anymore because how awkward the direction of our debate is turning. -
09-09-2013, 03:25 AMDemon6324236Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
No actually we didn't, as it was pointed out we got a copy pasted response from a couple weeks ago reposted by a rep in here, nothing from the Dev team of which was new, and nothing addressing the key issues. You see, one of the funny things is that they are trying to get more people in the WKs, let me explain though, I have went as a DD, as a DD, the mobs die less than 10~15 seconds after popping, its hard to get to actually hit them much at all because of how fast they die. As a healer, its hard to find random people to heal, and the PLD is cure bombed to no tomorrow so that doesn't work always. Support jobs get nothing practically. So if your not SMN or COR you will just be taking away what others can do for Bayld, not enough Bayld, no items, and faster kill times within a real fight means less chance to get Bayld. So bringing more people is also an issue, we need to simply be able to do it with less.Quote:
You guys got your response from the DEV Team no?
No, asking for a bad event to be made good no matter if I get my things or not is good for the community. Simply saying I got what I wanted, event must be good, or that I did a few good ones, it must not be that bad, doing those things is bad because your just covering up an issue which needs resolved.Quote:
I guess complaining miserabley and being negative is healthy and feeling depressed all the time rubbing it off on others is good for the community and the people around you. Even if it means destroying your friends in the process?
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09-09-2013, 03:34 AMDemon6324236You fail to understand that almost every post made during that argument was under the assumption that you were talking about Tojil and thus yes, everything I just said is valid, because what you were saying was taken in that way, and replied to as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
Yes that's exactly it...Quote:
Instead of listening to me, you guys are too busy trying to dawg me. Insult me and make me look a fool. Ignoring what I said and making wrong assumptions only to feed each other the fire to go against me.
Funny thing is you said you came back to FFXI to talk to me, yet not once since you started posting again have you sent me a single tell that I have received. So who knows, maybe if you got on to talk at some point or actually do something we could do so, but instead you spend all your time here arguing with people and never log in because you refuse to use Windowed mode so that you can do both at once so far as I last knew. Why not stop posting here if you think everyone hates you & ignores what you say and instead simply get on the game and actually play it instead of just talking about it.Quote:
And I'm assuming the hate meter is enough for me to not even bother logging ingame anymore because how awkward the direction of our debate is turning.
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09-09-2013, 03:39 AMDaemonWhy would the assumption be based on Tojil if we were talking about Hurkan and Yumkax since the beginning and why would I go through all of that explaining how WR has longer fights allowing a better window for players to join in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
I'm sorry but the conditions of Delve and WR clearly are not the same. And the amount of time is not the same.
You guys complained about WR loot drops, I never disagreed but this entire time we were in fact talking about WR and regardless of becoming derailed off topic I still assumed we were discussing WR, NOT Tojil.
As for not logging in I have not been home this week since I payed sub fee. Working 80 hours this week. I barely had 2 hours sleep everyday. When I get home I did intend to login.
But if you want to hold that against me.
I've been posting off my smartphone the entire time. Not computer. That's why I have to go back and make edits. -
09-09-2013, 03:53 AMDemon6324236
I'm not holding things against you, I was pointing out you said you got back on to talk, yet aren't ever on, and at the same time say something about wondering if its even worth getting back on. My point was, how would you know when you haven't been. You know as well as I that we separate forum talk & in game talk, I have little understanding as to why that would suddenly change, or where the magical hate meter came from.
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09-09-2013, 03:55 AMDaemonIt came from the last time I logged in assuming your anger carried over to in game. Now that our arguments are heating up again, I question if its going to have an effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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09-09-2013, 03:56 AMDemon6324236
Probably just caught me on one of my shitty days, or one of the days my migraines got worse.
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09-09-2013, 03:59 AMDaemonOh ok, I work a double starting from 6pm to 3am then 7:30 am to 7:30 pm tomorrow. So if I'm not whacked out over drinking 20 cups of coffee incoherent, then ill try to login and say hi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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09-09-2013, 08:43 PMFynlar
rofl @ "I'm korean and we're so awesome but I still haven't beaten Tojil" tirade
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09-10-2013, 12:36 AMFrankReynoldsI never said you did. Start over at the beginning and really read it before you respond.Quote:
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I don't care. See above.Quote:
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I "Judged you based on what you wrote on these forums. Unless you were lying about being a DJ and having done one Tojil, my analogy is spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
I don't care about learning your culture. I care about this game. I have no interest in learning foreign culture from a video game forum... or even discussing it really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
Nope, you are the negative one. You keep trying to make this a racial issue when it is clearly about a video game. Please take your racial / cultural comparisons to the appropriate racist website of your choosing. It has no place here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
See how you said "us Koreans"? That wasn't you. It was some koreans. Probably koreans that you have never met, will never meet and know nothing about. So don't try and lump yourself in with them and stop trying to lump everyone who speaks English together in the same way, because newsflash... you speak English too.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Daemon
First of all, you obviously didn't understand my post. I never said DJing was easy. I said that you wouldn't like it if someone said it was. Clearly you don't. That's how people who have heavy experience with this stuff feel when you comment like you know about it. You don't. When it comes to Tojil, WKR etc, you are the kid with the iPod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
Second of all... HI I'm a DJ too. I literally have thousands of vinyl records. I have a garage and a storage unit offsite full to the brim with equipment. I don't do it professionally anymore because i have a girlfriend who doesn't like her man being out all night, but I could if I wanted to because I am that good and I have friends who are doing quite well in the business. I did opening sets for hundreds of hip hop acts from Wu-tang to tupac to KRS-one and Run DMC back in my younger (Single) days. I can still get backstage at just about any venue I want to because I still piss off my neighbors mixing every night and I still mess around and cut sh&^* up with my friends who are in the industry at their shows. As a matter of fact, I'll be back stage at Rock the Bells this weekend with my friends. -
09-10-2013, 01:37 AMDaemonYour analogy is completely irrelevant. It's one thing if I never played FFXI and only played Tojil once. It's another if I've been playing 11 years, have knowledge of game programming, know how computers and software works and have experience enough to know that playing a boss fight comes to the same conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
You don't have to be a wiz kid or a genius to know that a boss fight is a boss fight.
OMG does it really take higher education to know and understand that a boss uses skills, abilities, has time limits, Spawn conditions?
You act like having 11 years of experience doesn't give me the authority to know what I'm talking about.
I've played Tojil once. Big deal. Did you kill Tojil solo? Or did you depend on 17 other people to help you? Just because I did not join a freakin group that was capable doesnt mean i'm some noob that doesn't know jack.
That's like saying big deal you played 11 years, until you beat Kirin, Byakko, Qilin, Aello, you don't know jack.
And if I'm not working 80 hours a week you wouldn't even be trying to use Tojil against me as an excuse for "You don't know what your talking about, your opinion means nothing, so until you beat Tojil, then open your mouth and talk"
Which is BS. Only elitist think this way. Playing Delve more than 200 times is enough know how Delve works. Playing Tojil 1 time is enough to know how it works.
Reading Tojil strategies is common sense before you play the boss. Do I need a PHD to learn this? Then again having 17 other people skilled, listen well to instruction and knows how to work as a team with proper gear makes a difference.
Don't single me out and think I don't know anything.
You play hip hop. I play house music. Conditions are different. I mix, You cut. In the end we are both still playing music. The difference is how you play the music. 20 years of experience is enough to have an opinion. -
09-10-2013, 02:11 AMDemon6324236
People aren't singling you out because you don't know anything, they are saying you have little experience with Tojil, as you have confirmed by saying you have fought him only a single time. No matter the skill of the group, number of people, or anything else on the subject, it matters not, you have very little experience with the NM compared to others with much greater experience, which was part of the point of the entire Tojil debate here.
Also, in the 11 years, the game has changed, never before now could we have 2 SCH/BLM keep a NM stunned at nearly all times of a battle, also, we could never stun every attack, and every attack was not certain death, admittedly we have gotten past the part where all attacks kill you, but some of them are still so deadly that its a stun or die kinda game we play. So even if you have experience for the last 11 years, it means jack when your fighting something that attacks with types of things you have never had to really deal with before, such as Lahar, which causes weakness without killing you, a type of attack VW temps let us avoid, and only those few people who did Legion really experienced issues with before Adoulin. While you have this experience, in this case, its different, the only content in a while people have had to fight like Delve Bosses, were Legion NMs, so unless you did Legion, you really don't have as much experience in the field as you believe you do in my opinion. -
09-10-2013, 02:40 AMDaemonAnd what experience do I ultimately need to do my part in an 18 man alliance? If I play WHM, cure, buff, conserve MP, common strategy such as casting Flash when Boss TPs, using Maytr when too much hate has been generated from cures. Casting cure on Tanker giving temp stoneskin when mob TPs. Quick reflex cast barspells according to mobs Spellcasting. Use devotion on important job in party such as PLD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
What more can I do in a 17 man party other than know my job, listen to instruction, work as a team. I don't need to play Tojil and win to qualify the title of "I'm elite"
I know how to play several jobs and I know them well enough to know how to contribute my share and more.
That's what 8+ hours of solo practice everyday for many years and going back to help lower levels fight Taxet, and other bosses plus spending endless hours in WoE provided training so I could know how to be ready for events like a Tojil.
Maybe you need to party with me more DJ so you can make a better judgement of how I play because others that have played with me can't say jack about my skills and those who made an assumption before playing with me were proven wrong.
Every time I play with my JP LS we try to kill boss with least amount of people that others try to do with 18 man alliance. -
09-10-2013, 02:50 AMDemon6324236Were not talking about you being 'elite' we are talking about you being experienced with a NM, experience with you lack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
I said nothing about your overall skill or anything of the sort, this is one of your issues you are having here. This is not about your skill, your intellect, or anything of the sort, its simply a matter of experience, and now that you have said you have only fought Tojil once, it really comes down to the fact you simply do not have that experience. I am not saying you have to kill 10 Tojils to be able to talk about it, I am saying that your experience with a NM or any fight in general will heavily weigh in on your ideas for how to confront it, since you lack the experience others have with the NM, you can easily end up looking foolish, as you have done a few times in this thread I believe.Quote:
Maybe you need to party with me more DJ so you can make a better judgement of how I play because others that have played with me can't say jack about my skills and those who made an assumption before playing with me were proven wrong.
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09-10-2013, 02:54 AMDaemonIf its a boss I could fight solo then I could understand your argument. But as a Mage class supporting my team, the fight falls in the hands of the entire group. Not me alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
Just because I have not been in a good group who knows what they are doing or how to kill Tojil doesn't mean I need additional experience to do it.
In the end i'm still playing the same role. Support as a Mage. If I was a DD then you could tell me that I need more experience.
You do know that the last time I played Tojil we timed out at 10% HP right? If I had all the time in the world to login and play I guarantee I would have already won long time ago. -
09-10-2013, 03:53 AMFrankReynoldsIt's not me being elitist. It's you opining on a subject which does not effect nor concern you. You don't get to say yay or nay on the subject because you don't do the content. I have years of experience at FFXI too. We all do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
I have never raised a chocbo. Common sense dictates that no matter how qualified that I think I am to raise a chocbo (trust me, I could do it), I should leave the chcobo racing discussions up to the people who do it on a regular basis. You will never catch me in the chocobo racing threads going "HAI GAIZ! Red chocobos should be the fastest! Trust me, I hatched an egg once back in band camp".
You have no dog in the race. -
09-10-2013, 04:21 AMDaemonI don't "do" the content now. But I "did" the content already. I chose not to play anymore because I know DEV Team needs to continue adjusting the events and add more content on top of SoA.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
Therefore why waste my time playing when its "subject to change"
Besides after playing 11 years I already know what every event has to offer.
Same concept, different condition.
Unless you want to continue looking at the box and argue with someone looking at the bigger picture.
Every new expansion is like implementing beta. They add the base, build on top of it and adjust it. I don't see SoA as a finished product. That's why Id rather wait.
Look at VW. Same thing happened. Same thing happens to all events new. Buggy, unstable, unfinished until enough feedback, analyzation and adjustments are made according to how the fanbase reacts.
I choose to skip all of that and wait. Speeding through the content only means reaching the inevitable question again only to be bored, sit in town all day and do repeat me a million times events, quests til I feel like playing a violin.
In the end close your eyes. You are basically staring at graphics moving. Your character in the same position. The graphics are the only thing changing. You are just staring at the same spot the entire time as time on the real world clock is ticking.
Knowing this should tell you how important I think it is to login. -
09-10-2013, 05:56 AMThorbean
I have huge experience with an 8 track, you should send me some samples of your DJ sets so I can tell you what you are doing right/wrong.
"Same concept, different condition."
The game has been "subject to change" since it started. You do know what a version update is right?
I can't believe this thread is still going...
*I use the term "thread" quite wrongly, as this is just an argument between people who have experience with the content being debated, and 1 person without aforementioned experience.
Edit: You would rather waste your time arguing about a game you don't play, than play & enjoy the game you are wasting your time arguing about? Classic. -
09-10-2013, 06:45 AMDaemonUhg not the same concept. If you were paying attention rather than jump into someone else's conversation then you'd already know that I don't have time to play anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorbean
Sending you an 8 track for your opinion still would matter in the sense that you have knowledge and experience to know what you are talking about.
BIG DIFFERENCE than assuming someone who has never studied or practiced the skill and do it for a living giving you an opinion.
I've played Tojil before. Maybe didnt win but that's not my fault. I've played delve enough times to know how it works.
BIG DIFFERENCE than assuming as if I never played The event to know what you are talking about.
Why would I waste time playing a game if I'm too busy at work spending my free time on the forums in an environment where I can't play? Common sense. -
09-10-2013, 07:11 AMDaemon
Funny I already said I assumed we were following the OP discussion about WR. But now the conversation seems to be minupulated into Delve/Tojil as an excuse to prove me irrelevant in my discussion which I'm not amused.
But then again Elitist are never wrong and everyone according to them under classified to their standards will always assume they are right regardless.
I wonder why we are arguing about Tojil when none of my replies were based on that? Yet you people are hounding me as if all of my comments were based on Delve when everything I replied to was based on WR.
Unless you don't know how to read and only know how to read fragments of the conversation and make assumptions based on a few replies and not the overall discussion. Or do you not know how to stay on topic?
OMG until you kill 1 mandragora you don't know what you are talking about even if you seen it 100 times, didnt engage in enough fights to know that its a mandragora oh my. Because I got 17 other people to kill it for me I'm more superior than you!!
Then people wonder why I don't play anymore.
Ill be laughing when SE implements something harder than Tojil and then people will look back and realize how stupid easy the boss became after surpassing the current content obtaining current gear. Only to realize that it might be hard now but that's only because its the current end game content.
Just like back at level 75 people thought Behemoth, Farnir, Nidhogg was impossible. I heard the same arguments you are making now.
And how funny it is that Qilin only takes 5 minutes to kill. Was it possible upon release? Gee its soooooo hard to kill 1 boss that you need to be God mode to be like us.
Whatever.
You can only go through the same routine so many times to come to the point at which I'm at now. Seen it enough times that it all looks all the same to me. -
09-10-2013, 08:23 AMFrankReynoldsQuote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
You don't have a significant amount of experience with WKR either. Dude has been trying to get you to do it with him for weeks now. What is elite about that?
The even is soooooo good, that you won't do it, but we are the ones who just need to wait... -
09-10-2013, 08:53 AMDaemonSo what is better? Play before all adjustments? Am I the only person who realizes that updates come to an end after content for the expansion reaches its intended vision?Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
Look at all other expansions. Was it better to play salvage, Dyna, and all other events the moment it was released? If I remember correctly everyone complained about every content.
A few months ago you guys complained WR gave you pebbles and how horrid it is to spend 10 hours of your day. Then I actually went and played Hurkaan according to the example and didnt even make it to the fight long enough to see this so called OMG Hurkaan takes 10 hours when it died in less than 2. And I only got to watch it die from 35% in less than 15 minutes.
Then I hear Yumcax takes 27 hours. I get invite at 28% and see the shout from others 5 minutes later that HP dropped to 24%.
And I'm still in Jeuno... By the time I walk to Yumcax will I even make it??
So what the hell is it?
Devs announce they will make another adjustment since the aftermath of FFXIV release. How long since I knew release was going to be on August 27th?? Is this the first game to lose a good portion of players upon a new game release?
You guys must assume I'm 10 years old with no common sense. I'm sure I have plenty of time to go back and play SoA content later but right now?
My irl priorities come first.
Same shi* different day. -
09-10-2013, 09:32 AMThorbeanBetter watch out guys, this guy is so awesome at the game, he can beat it without actually beating it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
*Insert masturbation joke here*
Joking aside, I don't wonder why you don't play anymore. The only thing I'm wondering is, how long we will have to wait until you take it a step further and stop posting nonsense, off topic gibberish and theory craft.
As a note, please stop bringing up your life outside of FFXI. Nobody is interested in any of that and this isn't your personal blog. The people who come here, are here to discuss (DISCUSS!) FFXI. They are not here to be preached to or to have perfectly reasonable requests shot down repeatedly by some random person with no authority or say in anything.
If you object to a suggestion, that's fine. Post your grievance then move on, instead of forcing your view down peoples throats... For 60 pages...
Having an opinion is one thing. Pushing that opinion on everyone repeatedly and refusing to take a step back and accept that maybe *Shock Horror!* you are actually wrong causes nothing but headaches for everyone.
There's a huge difference between having a strong belief and being pig-headed. You sir, are infuriatingly pig-headed.
Note: before you get butt-hurt because i said you have the head of a pig: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pig-headed
Now quick, you better post a reply otherwise you'll lose the argument on the internet!
That's what this boils down to right?
Ps. I won't be reading it.
Edit: regarding "5 mins later it was down to 25%, will I even make it to XXXX boss in time?".
You are showing just how out of touch you are with these events. A lot of the time, when people shout "50%", what they actually mean is "80%" but it's going so slowly they want more people to enter quickly.
"25%" is often actually 40-50% but the fight has dragged on for so long people are desperate for more assistance. Players don't want to join at 90%, they want to join at ~20%. -
09-10-2013, 09:39 AMUmichi
I personally play this just like any other FF these days. I don't worry about parties and I only play with friends and linkshell members.. I know people in the game world... and people know me...we might do more endgame together because of that... But remember this is a FF first and foremost and at it's heart is an engaging enviroment for everyone... because it's a FF game.. deamon speaks upon experience.. he's been playing for eleven years... he doesn't need to do an event to not understand it.... why? because all it is is fighting! lol I've only been playing on and off for 4-5 years now... and It's still a challenge to do things my way in this game because everyone is obssesed with endgame statistics... they only look at gear and focus on DPS.... It's why I wish I knew more Japanese lol I have plenty experience interactng with JP over my time adventuring in vanadiel and you can def tell the difference in styles on how JP and NA play and the structure.
as far as WR's go Since I only play 1-2 jobs I've pretty much gotten all I've ever needed from WKR and I did it on each and every run. since SE plans on maybe implementing a repeatable reward system for it If I ever decide to level something else (perhaps on an alt) I'll be able to work on it easier and more efficiently perhaps doing yet again only a single run-through to get all the gear I needed from it.
without the need to repeat...
Delve on the other hand... bleh so hard to get into a NA delve because they want you geared to the teeth.... I've gotten to tojil before with a JP group with 15 mins left and it was my first attempt with them.
other delve bosses are another story... hopefully if i ever need gear from them I'll have enough skill or power to defeat them lol... again a repeatable system for rewards would benifit us greatly! But for now I have what I want except tojils head for ukupirex lol.... Still building gungnir!!!!