1) Because the moment you make this stuff reserved, you're going to have people who want to take control of their group, usually benefiting themselves more than others. They'll use the ultimate excuse of "Well I formed this group, so if you ever want a chance to get your coins, you'll do as I say" and things become too...businessy. It happened with Dynamis, it happens in Abyssea, it happens pretty much everywhere there are desirable drops that require a lot of members to get. WoE is an exception in that everyone has an equal chance, regardless of anyone else. Just revamp it so the coins aren't as hard to get.
Maybe every participant in the fight should (so long as they have engaged a target) get a chest at the end, and the higher up you are in rank, the more you get in your chest or the better your chances of getting coin pouches.
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07-13-2011, 01:40 AMAndevom
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07-13-2011, 01:47 AMCream_SodaAnd what part about that in WoE doesn't happen now?Quote:
1) Because the moment you make this stuff reserved, you're going to have people who want to take control of their group, usually benefiting themselves more than others. They'll use the ultimate excuse of "Well I formed this group, so if you ever want a chance to get your coins, you'll do as I say"
When I shouted for pick up runs, I locked advancement coins. When I joined other people's shout groups, they locked the coin of their choice, etc.
Of course, you had no obligation to honor that, but lol someone lot what they're not supposed to, usually shunned by the group and of course never taken along again, so it still works even in shout groups.
Make the group, make the rules. I don't see how going 1 over 2 would come close to changing that -
07-13-2011, 02:04 AMLushipur
Opption 2.
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07-13-2011, 02:33 AMAndevomEveryone can lot, anyone can enter. It's kind of hard to tell people they have to play by your set of rules when there's nothing to stop them from not. Again, it's not perfect the way it is now, but essentially making it like old Dynamis is just going to cause a different kind of monster.Quote:
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07-13-2011, 02:40 AMZagenThat's true about Dynamis, BCNMs, Abyssea Seal/+2 NMs, etc. as well nothing but your morals bound you to respect rules set forth by the organizer.Quote:
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07-13-2011, 02:42 AMCream_SodaOk, so it's stopping people from leeching then? That your only complaint?Quote:
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Because any organized group, even with the current system, whether you shout or go with a ls will have some sort of lotting system when they enter.
Just because randoms and lot on everything, doesn't mean everyone in the organized group does.
For example, i want coin of glory. I join a shout group and the leader has advancement locked. Some random comes in and lots on glory who wasn't part of the group and wins. That doesn't mean that I'm going to lot advancement now when that drops. -
07-13-2011, 03:10 AMManque
If it is indeed one day reset, is there a way for it to reset at NA or EU midnight (I know they would have to pick a timezone to do this)?
A lot of things in game are JP midnight reset. It would be nice to have an NA or EU reset time, no? Is there a reason things must be JST reset?? -
07-13-2011, 03:22 AMwish12oz
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07-13-2011, 03:43 AMAndevomI never made this claim. Actually, the fact that it doesn't stop people form leeching IS a problem, which is why it needs some kind of incentive for people to actively participate (hence my suggestion of giving everyone a chest if they pull their weight). The current system stops people from creating a strict set of rules that causes a ton of people to have to wait longer to get their coins. Which is good; there's enough of this in other events.Quote:
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My point is that this doesn't need to be heavily organized at all. It can be like campaign, where you just go and do it.Quote:
Because any organized group, even with the current system, whether you shout or go with a ls will have some sort of lotting system when they enter.
Just because randoms and lot on everything, doesn't mean everyone in the organized group does.
But see, under the current system, the leader can't lock in advancement to start with. And he shouldn't be able to anyway, really. I'm sorry, I'm in favor of people being able to enter the event and try their luck at getting the coins. Everyone's on equal footing going in that way. But the main issue is people who go in and leech. I don't think the solution to this is make it like Dynamis. It's too drastic.Quote:
For example, i want coin of glory. I join a shout group and the leader has advancement locked. Some random comes in and lots on glory who wasn't part of the group and wins. That doesn't mean that I'm going to lot advancement now when that drops.
So, going back to the campaign example, maybe you have it so people join something comparable to a union in WoE. You help out, you get access to the spoils. You sit around and leech, you get nothing. This was such a good reward system that hasn't been implemented anywhere else. I know that nothing like this is being proposed at the moment (option 1 is the closest), but with some tweaking to the system, you can easily make it so leechers don't benefit as much. -
07-13-2011, 03:46 AMJerynh
When I did WoE, nobody shouted for groups, no LS's came in and did a zone, it was thrown together groups. The majority did the slime one, sometimes the crabs or ants when it wasn't available. I met very few bad apples in my time. Almost everyone who came in joined up with the mash-up of people already in, did their part, and reaped the benefits. Nobody I saw literally just went in, sat there, and lotted at the end. Thats the worst way to get coins. The best way is to fight for one of the top 5 slots. I vote keep it the way it is, and progress from there. I don't have a lot of friends on the game, I'd like to be able to keep joining up with randoms easily if for whatever reason I need to go back in there.