Any new HNM coming?

"Botting" was the biggest problem which disabled the fun factor for legit players everywhere and I don't think we deserve to suffer the consequences from those who are lazy, greedy or who are utterly disrespectful and inconsiderate of the rest of the community. The game suffers, more countermeasures are added and it's plain cheating the challenge. If there was a way to tracked third party tools, how come "botters" where never punished?

Okay, enough of my yappin, I think the zones where HNMs reside are just plain targeted because of the lack of precaution needed to claim them when they pop. Let's say you need more than one person (like six members), the area would be guarded by EP mobs with no value that would link to the ground king if it aggroes any by-standards.

I think the same method would apply as to the fisher-bots, keep the character activated and busy. No two set of bots would constantly be doing two things at the same time and before you know it, they'll be dead, or reported and probably banned.

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Originally Posted by Satyr

I would venture to guess that the vast majority of players have never even seen (let alone killed) Dark Ixion.

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Funny enough I just saw dark Ixion awhile ago, wandering around, no one interested at all...

Because he does no longer drop anything interesting. Which is just proof of how nobody kills a single HNM for challenge, only for items.

The hoel thing stupid. It better not be 21 to 24 hour+ spawn nm agan i do not want to see botting come back agan. Unfair to everyone who is trying to play the game fair and legit.

There are only three possibilities for HNM "challenge"

A. A 100% win strategy is figured out, and it becomes easy.

B. It's impossible to kill (e.g. oldschool Absolute Virtue)

C. Whether you win or loose is a lottery based on what it does. Either you get lucky and win or you are unlucky and it does something and destroys you.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Because he does no longer drop anything interesting. Which is just proof of how nobody kills a single HNM for challenge, only for items.

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I remember something I read years ago about this.

"People who claim to want "challenge" in MMO endgame bosses are clearly lying. They don't want a challenge, they want something slightly harder than easy"

An example of this in FFXI would be Einherjar. People said they wanted king/sky gear without having to camp and SE gave it to them. Then they complained that Einherjar was too hard, so SE dumbed it down. Then they complained that they had to show up to a 30 minute event twice a week so SE changed it so only the person trading the lamp had to have all feathers.. Then they complained that the drop rates were too low.

People will never stop complaining until everything they want is handed out by a NPC for free.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

I remember something I read years ago about this.

"People who claim to want "challenge" in MMO endgame bosses are clearly lying. They don't want a challenge, they want something slightly harder than easy"

An example of this in FFXI would be Einherjar. People said they wanted king/sky gear without having to camp and SE gave it to them. Then they complained that Einherjar was too hard, so SE dumbed it down. Then they complained that they had to show up to a 30 minute event twice a week so SE changed it so only the person trading the lamp had to have all feathers.. Then they complained that the drop rates were too low.

People will never stop complaining until everything they want is handed out by a NPC for free.

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I do not want anything handed to me i just want a system that more fair and does not promote cheating aka botting. It is unfair to the people who actualy trying to play the game right. Harder more challenging nms is ok by me as long as being able to fight the nm is fair for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Sasukeuchiha

I do not want anything handed to me i just want a system that more fair and does not promot cheating aka botting. ITs unfair to the people who actualy trying to play the game right. Harder more chalanging nms is ok by me as long as being able to fight the nm is fair for everyone.

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If that's true then you shouldn't have any problems with this idea:

Have the mob stay yellow for 5 seconds after it pops. During this time anyone can attack it. After 5 seconds are up claim will be passed to a random person on the mob's hate list.

This way you still have the excitement and competition of world spawns because you have to be paying attention and be fast to get into the claim pool. But bots would give no advantage to claiming the mob.

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Originally Posted by Sasukeuchiha

I do not want anything handed to me i just want a system that more fair and does not promote cheating aka botting. It is unfair to the people who actualy trying to play the game right. Harder more challenging nms is ok by me as long as being able to fight the nm is fair for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

If that's true then you shouldn't have any problems with this idea:

Have the mob stay yellow for 5 seconds after it pops. During this time anyone can attack it. After 5 seconds are up claim will be passed to a random person on the mob's hate list.

This way you have to be paying attention and be fast to get into the claim pool and bots won't give any advantage to claiming the mob.

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I beleave they still did that with old hnms and people still botte. The time spawn 21 to 24+ spawn nms just promoted botting. Harder is good promoting cheating is not.

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Originally Posted by Sasukeuchiha

I beleave they still did that with old hnms and people still botte. The time spawn 21 to 24+ spawn nms just promoted botting. Harder is good promoting cheating is not.

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No they did not do that. What they did was make the mob unclaimable for 0.5-3 seconds after it spawns and if you try to claim it during this "unclaimable" window your abilities are stunned for a few seconds.

If you did the reverse of that i.e. make the mob able to be attacked by anyone for a few seconds window after it pops and then pass claim randomly to someone who attacked it then it would make bots completely useless. It wouldn't matter if they botted or not because it wouldn't increase their chance of getting claim.