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07-07-2012, 05:21 PM
Rosina

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Originally Posted by Zerich

oh god no, i wasn't talking about you ; - ;
sorry it looked like that.

it was on a statement of people who find programming their sleep schedule over a game, being 'fun'.

ya its ok i'm so baked from my 3hr nm hunt .... (not high on weed just tired and frustrated it took so long to fking pop) this feeling is why i hate hunting nm. I hate feeling tired and frustrated from playing a video game. I like feeling good like "omg i fight that weeeee" not "omg WGEN WILL THE MOFO POP ITS BEEN 5 HOURS"
07-07-2012, 05:25 PM
Shadowsong

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236;

As for being handed gear you don't understand. You for some reason do not understand the stupidity that is the idea of a monster in a virtual world that if you wish to fight you will likely need to base your life around. Some people have jobs, need to sleep, have family and friends outside, the game should not punish people who have their priorities in check and know life>game.

Why must ALL content be availible to ALL people? So you are saying, to the people who CAN be on the game 4+ hours a day, that they can never excell over the people that play 2 hours a week?
Make content for everyone. Casual? go work on some af3 in abyss. Hardecore? Legion and Providence and neo-stuff.
Just because you cant play enough to get to these stages, no one can?
07-07-2012, 05:27 PM
Shadowsong

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Originally Posted by Rosina

ya its ok i'm so baked from my 3hr nm hunt .... (not high on weed just tired and frustrated it took so long to fking pop) this feeling is why i hate hunting nm. I hate feeling tired and frustrated from playing a video game. I like feeling good like "omg i fight that weeeee" not "omg WGEN WILL THE MOFO POP ITS BEEN 5 HOURS"

Sorry double post, cant edit on my phone.
May I ask why you play this game if it makes you tired and frustrated? You dont seem like you have much fun.
07-07-2012, 05:37 PM
Zerich

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Originally Posted by Shadowsong

Why must ALL content be availible to ALL people? So you are saying, to the people who CAN be on the game 4+ hours a day, that they can never excell over the people that play 2 hours a week?
Make content for everyone. Casual? go work on some af3 in abyss. Hardecore? Legion and Providence and neo-stuff.
Just because you cant play enough to get to these stages, no one can?

Don't you have something better to do, like camping Roc?
Btw, what's 'Hardecore', did you mean to say 'Hordecore'? This isn't WoW.

Also, how is casual (see: being alive) a bad thing? People who have found the balance between being a gamer and having healthy relationships outside of a game are to be shunned? And you think Prov. is hXc...are you sure you know what you're talking about?
07-07-2012, 05:42 PM
Shadowsong

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Originally Posted by Zerich

Don't you have something better to do, like camping Roc?
Btw, what's 'Hardecore', did you mean to say 'Hordecore'? This isn't WoW.

Also, how is casual (see: being alive) a bad thing? People who have found the balance between being a gamer and having healthy relationships outside of a game are to be shunned? And you think Prov. is hXc...are you sure you know what you're talking about?

Sigh, READING COMPREHENSION, WHAT IS IT?
And wtf is Hordecore
07-07-2012, 05:48 PM
Zerich

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Originally Posted by Shadowsong

Sigh, READING COMPREHENSION, WHAT IS IT?
And wtf is Hordecore

What is a google?

I misread what you suggested and immediately took the attack. But yeah, I do feel as though someone with more average time to sink into the game should have the potential for accomplishing more than someone with 2 hours of limited play, per night. I just don't believe that this should entirely bar people with less time, just take longer.
07-07-2012, 05:50 PM
Demon6324236

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Originally Posted by Shadowsong

So you are saying, to the people who CAN be on the game 4+ hours a day, that they can never excell over the people that play 2 hours a week?

In a way yes, if you have a life and you want to enjoy this game, you can not do both with how people arguing HNMs would seem to want it. As I said, you need things before people will let you do events with them, for instance, VW. VW normally you are turned down if you have no Emp/Relic & +2 or at least a WS & TP set. Myself I can do this, I play this game often, however people who do not get to do what? If you play 2 hours a week what can you do if you want to enjoy these events?

You can not say to make your own party, you have never done the content you will probably do it wrong, people will learn your name and avoid your partys. You cant make an Emp/Relic because you don't have the time. This limits players to much, and as I said, its punishing people who have their priorities straight. If you are changing when you sleep to depend on when a NM is going to be up on this game, you need to reevaluate yourself on what you are doing in your life.

Now, if you are determined to do something of grand scale that is a different story, the challenge of a relic can be done by someone with little time, my friend and co-leader to my ls is on only 3~4 hours a day due to real life things. He has been working on a Relic Great Axe, and is making progress when possible. In the same time he takes to finish this, someone who plays FFXI all day in and out could probably do 5 or 6 relics if not more, the point is, he can do the same thing as them, and has a mostly fair chance. HNMs on the scale that is being spoken of are 21~24 hour spawns, meaning in a persons 3~4 hour day, they would have a small chance if from the moment they got on till they got off, they could see the NM, let alone claim, and fight it.

I would rather the dev team focus on content 90% of us will experience and possibly enjoy, rather than content 10% of us claim we do/would enjoy, and 1~3% would actually get to experience.
07-07-2012, 09:19 PM
saevel

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In a way yes, if you have a life and you want to enjoy this game, you can not do both with how people arguing HNMs would seem to want it. As I said, you need things before people will let you do events with them, for instance, VW. VW normally you are turned down if you have no Emp/Relic & +2 or at least a WS & TP set. Myself I can do this, I play this game often, however people who do not get to do what? If you play 2 hours a week what can you do if you want to enjoy these events?

This is why the abyssea method of gear acquisition was so awesome. If you were someone with tons of time you could knock out sets really fast, maybe a little too fast though. If you were someone with a very limited schedule you could still knock out your sets. It would take you much longer and you'd be doing it slowly, but you'd get it done eventually. Same with emp weapons.

In either case both groups could acquire the same gear, one took longer then the other but both had the same level of access. The game didn't' artificially penalize the person with limited time. Aka there was no electric floor in this idealized version of a skinner's box.
07-07-2012, 09:25 PM
Habu

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

In a way yes, if you have a life and you want to enjoy this game, you can not do both with how people arguing HNMs would seem to want it. As I said, you need things before people will let you do events with them, for instance, VW. VW normally you are turned down if you have no Emp/Relic & +2 or at least a WS & TP set. Myself I can do this, I play this game often, however people who do not get to do what? If you play 2 hours a week what can you do if you want to enjoy these events?

You can not say to make your own party, you have never done the content you will probably do it wrong, people will learn your name and avoid your partys. You cant make an Emp/Relic because you don't have the time. This limits players to much, and as I said, its punishing people who have their priorities straight. If you are changing when you sleep to depend on when a NM is going to be up on this game, you need to reevaluate yourself on what you are doing in your life.

I'm getting really tired of your "people with a life" crap. Because people who are good at this game and devote a decent amount of time to it don't have lives right? I've tried to remain somewhat light on the insults but it's obvious to everyone that you are a complete moron. So you can only do VW if you have an emp/relic, because the person can't go on a mage job? The person can't look at info before hand to learn how to setup a group for ANYTHING in the game? There is a plethora of strategies for every VW and even PW now. You say emps are hard and you can only make them if you devote a lot of time to the game? No. Farm a little when you can and it will get done, if you're that worried about being able to do an even then you'll be willing to farm a little whenever you can to be useful in said events.

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Now, if you are determined to do something of grand scale that is a different story, the challenge of a relic can be done by someone with little time, my friend and co-leader to my ls is on only 3~4 hours a day due to real life things. He has been working on a Relic Great Axe, and is making progress when possible. In the same time he takes to finish this, someone who plays FFXI all day in and out could probably do 5 or 6 relics if not more, the point is, he can do the same thing as them, and has a mostly fair chance. HNMs on the scale that is being spoken of are 21~24 hour spawns, meaning in a persons 3~4 hour day, they would have a small chance if from the moment they got on till they got off, they could see the NM, let alone claim, and fight it.

Really? 3-4 hours a day is enough to farm Dynamis daily and still have sometime to do a random VW or w/e.

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I would rather the dev team focus on content 90% of us will experience and possibly enjoy, rather than content 10% of us claim we do/would enjoy, and 1~3% would actually get to experience.

Whose to say they can't make content for both? You're worried that the gear might be better? Oh well, some people are just meant to be better.
07-07-2012, 09:39 PM
Meyi

No, it's true. There's only so many hours in a day, and if you're devoting many of them to a video game... then obviously there must be less activities going on in your life. Jobs usually take about 6~10 hours, sleep SHOULD take about 8 hours, and that's 18 out of the 24 hours right there. We should also include college, using the restroom, showering, making meals and eating them, exercise, and possibly raising a family/spending time with friends.

I don't want to waste 4 hours waiting for a monster to pop. Even if I get the claim. Even if I get the claim and the item I want drops. It's just a waste of time. I get antsy waiting for people to pop Abyssea monsters sometimes and usually resort to doing something else around me to keep myself occupied (like drawing or doing some push ups). Shouldn't have to do other activities while playing a game, because a game is meant to be fun and entertaining.

FFXI has never been a fast paced game... and it probably never will be. There will always be down time for many players who find their minds lulled with boredom as their group mates get their stuff prepared. But at the very least, I'd rather a gathering take 30 minutes than wait 4 hours to finally get a chance at action.

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