Suggestion: Remove Abyssea Time restrictions

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Originally Posted by Carala

Fantastic & likewise.

While I appreciate the less asshole-like post, there are problem areas. Grauberg, Konschtat, Vunkerl, Misareaux (sometimes), Tahrongi, Attohwa. I've never encountered people exp'ing in these zones. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I just haven't ever seen it.

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Grauberg, Burn parties on those flooting orbs, people also exp party on the bogards.

Konshtat, this is another great place to do a burn party. If you have capped amber and azure can exp indefinitly. You can also make good money off augmented items in the process. These give nice augments if you farm enough.

Vunkerl, the bats say hello, wonderful burn spot, rabbits and caterpillars are for amber.

Misareaux, This zone has constant burn parties. birds, birds, birds, crabs.

Tahrongi, Cat's, bats, bugs, scorps all make good burn parties.

Attohwa, Awesome spot to kill fleas. You're a warrior even a poorly geared warrior can fell cleave these. The mandies are also cool because they aggro.

I don't know where you've been but I've been in parties in these zones multiple times. I already agreed that new players should get a small starting stash of stones. If they used these correctly they too could have 700+ stones in a week if implemented.

There is no need to remove the time in these zones. If people actually read the two solutions I offered and they where implemened none of these arguments would be valid.

There is a reason that you cannot remove the time limit. It's not about being annoying. It's about RMT. There is a quest that allows you to exchange cruor for a ridiculous 1 cruor to 2.6 gil rate. It's called a chocobo blinker. If you go into Abyssea and farm your cruor chain to max and you get 500-600 cruor per kill and then do so for a couple of hours, you get a good amount of cruor and therefore gil, but nothing gamebreaking. Now remove the time limit. RMT. Gil would FLOOD the market and we'd have another major period of inflation. Think about it. SE cannot allow this. They also have no reason to take this nifty way to make gil while making exp out of the game. It's limited by time. Remove the time limit and the RMTs will just lose their minds farming cruor and blinkering it. You could easily with 2 characters kill the mobs required very quickly while having 16 bots get the same cruor apiece. Then blinker all the cruor. Let's be modest and assume 100k cruor per hour. That's 1800k per alliance. They'd do what? 15-16 hours a day. 1800KX18X2.6. How much gil is that for ONE RMT group (or legit linkshell for that matter). The answer is 84million. ONE DAY! ONE. Not allowable.

Can you do this now? Yes. But once you get tired and go to sleep (you have to come back in) I know you could technically just get like 60k minutes and spend the month in Abyssea. SE has a glitch for that and you'll randomly lose status after a certain period of time. There's a reason. GIL.

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Originally Posted by Keelu

There is a reason that you cannot remove the time limit. It's not about being annoying. It's about RMT. There is a quest that allows you to exchange cruor for a ridiculous 1 cruor to 2.6 gil rate. It's called a chocobo blinker. If you go into Abyssea and farm your cruor chain to max and you get 500-600 cruor per kill and then do so for a couple of hours, you get a good amount of cruor and therefore gil, but nothing gamebreaking. Now remove the time limit. RMT. Gil would FLOOD the market and we'd have another major period of inflation. Think about it. SE cannot allow this. They also have no reason to take this nifty way to make gil while making exp out of the game. It's limited by time. Remove the time limit and the RMTs will just lose their minds farming cruor and blinkering it. You could easily with 2 characters kill the mobs required very quickly while having 16 bots get the same cruor apiece. Then blinker all the cruor. Let's be modest and assume 100k cruor per hour. That's 1800k per alliance. They'd do what? 15-16 hours a day. 1800KX18X2.6. How much gil is that for ONE RMT group (or legit linkshell for that matter). The answer is 84million. ONE DAY! ONE. Not allowable.

Can you do this now? Yes. But once you get tired and go to sleep (you have to come back in) I know you could technically just get like 60k minutes and spend the month in Abyssea. SE has a glitch for that and you'll randomly lose status after a certain period of time. There's a reason. GIL.

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The entire value of removing the time restriction is so that we don't have to waste our time leaving to get more time... yet to NPC blinkers you must leave and return to purchase more blinkers due to inventory restrictions. It would really have no effect on RMT. All they have to do now is farm lights at the start, and then they can farm cruor to their heart's content. They then have to buy the blinkers, go to town to sell them, go back to abyssea to buy more, etc... the time restriction does not limit their activity in any way, and it's removal will not make it easier for them. It literally has no effect on their behavior, other than making the farming of lights necessary at the start, which is negligible.

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The entire value of removing the time restriction is so that we don't have to waste our time leaving to get more time... yet to NPC blinkers you must leave and return to purchase more blinkers due to inventory restrictions. It would really have no effect on RMT. All they have to do now is farm lights at the start, and then they can farm cruor to their heart's content. They then have to buy the blinkers, go to town to sell them, go back to abyssea to buy more, etc... the time restriction does not limit their activity in any way, and it's removal will not make it easier for them. It literally has no effect on their behavior, other than making the farming of lights necessary at the start, which is negligible.

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The point isn't farming lights, which is negligible. What you're missing is farming the cruor chain, which is less than negligible. Farm cruor to max and spam. Go to bed. Get back online. Continue farming. At some point they do need to do exactly what you mentioned, and reenter. Light farming isn't the issue. It takes time to refarm lights and build your chain. It's not entirely the only reason, but it's something I would do without the hassle. Saying, "go farm 20000 minutes is easy," but actually getting to that point and then being alive is less easy. It would have an effect on the economy. It would not be quite as drastic at first or maybe even not at all. The point is that ANY effect is unacceptable. Leaving to get the blinkering done is a moot point. That's included no matter what. Change blinkers to any other easier to obtain cruor item, it only changes the conversion rate while saving lots of time. Regardless of how you might minimize the effect by obvious requirements to cash the cruor in, the ability to troll cruor in this manner with no effort would have quite an overall effect. 18 character at 600 cruor/kill overnighting for days. Then take one of them back and forth blinkering this cruor. Yeah that's not different than now. Not at all.

OH and i neglected that the time limit keeps people from just botting key pop mobs and forcing you to either phony up the dough or gold boxing it. It simply leaves too much of a strain on GMs. Too many problems with this idea. They made the time limit to keep big LSes from bullying for long periods of time.

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Originally Posted by Keelu

OH and i neglected that the time limit keeps people from just botting key pop mobs and forcing you to either phony up the dough or gold boxing it. It simply leaves too much of a strain on GMs. Too many problems with this idea. They made the time limit to keep big LSes from bullying for long periods of time.

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RMT have no problems keeping time up while farming cruor 24/7. People can already bot NMs to their hearts content. Big LSs already have no problems with farming time and gold boxes and pop NMs and ??? NMs all at the same time.

In fact now that I think about it, the less exploitative you are, the more this helps you. Big LS, RMT and bots have nothing to gain from this but convenience.

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Originally Posted by Shadowsong

Trolls are too obvious now to be funny anymore, /threadfail

And actually, Arcon trolled me with his post 2 minutes before mine, I was pointing out your own post illustrating how retarded you are for me.

edit: Also, bringing up WoW automatically makes everything else you write invalid (as if it wasn't obvious enough lol). Why don't you go play that?

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Right, because mentioning WoW some how invalidates anything. That goes to show how unintelligent you really are.

"I was pointing out your own post illustrating how retarded you are for me." Awesome English there bro.

Seriously, every thread I've read that you've entered continues to prove how low you are on the genetic chain. I guess that's what happens when you keep it all in the family. Gtfo.

Keelu, we've butted heads in the past, but you are 100% right here. I've been trying to say it for the entirety of this thread and people just respond with nonsense. People would abuse the hell out of this. This change shouldn't and won't happen, so please stop trying to make excuses for this idea. There are too many cons that effect everyone.

"OH, BUT THE HAVES ARE JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE HAVE NOTS DOWN!" Pft.


Btw, it's amazing a moderator hasn't purged this thread. It's full of posts that are nothing but personal attacks masquerading as responses.

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Originally Posted by Keelu

The point isn't farming lights, which is negligible. What you're missing is farming the cruor chain, which is less than negligible. Farm cruor to max and spam. Go to bed. Get back online. Continue farming. At some point they do need to do exactly what you mentioned, and reenter. Light farming isn't the issue. It takes time to refarm lights and build your chain. It's not entirely the only reason, but it's something I would do without the hassle. Saying, "go farm 20000 minutes is easy," but actually getting to that point and then being alive is less easy. It would have an effect on the economy. It would not be quite as drastic at first or maybe even not at all. The point is that ANY effect is unacceptable. Leaving to get the blinkering done is a moot point. That's included no matter what. Change blinkers to any other easier to obtain cruor item, it only changes the conversion rate while saving lots of time. Regardless of how you might minimize the effect by obvious requirements to cash the cruor in, the ability to troll cruor in this manner with no effort would have quite an overall effect. 18 character at 600 cruor/kill overnighting for days. Then take one of them back and forth blinkering this cruor. Yeah that's not different than now. Not at all.

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I don't mean to be rude, but do you have any real understanding of how the RMT are manipulating blinkers? They don't build cruor chains, they sell FC spots and focus on EXP to attract customers who buy into the party, and probably reach 100-150 cruor per kill max. Even using your example and under the current system, let's say they farm lights, they get their 18 characters up to 600 cruor/kill, they farm as long as they want to, and then they buy/sell chocobo blinkers. Think about it for a sec... if you took away the time limit, how would they be effected in that process? They wouldn't have to farm lights... which probably takes them 30 minutes or less. It's not going to effect the economy in the slightest if they don't have to spend that 30 minutes out of a 10 or 20 hour party farming lights. Many of these cleaves are infinite, with mules shouting for members in jeuno as the party lasts hours or even days. The time restriction does absolutely nothing to limit them. I mean... if you don't get it, you don't get it. That's fine and I can accept that. I've always hated RMT as much as the next person. But please don't use it as a crutch for a shitty argument.

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Originally Posted by Tagus

I don't mean to be rude, but do you have any real understanding of how the RMT are manipulating blinkers? They don't build cruor chains, they sell FC spots and focus on EXP to attract customers who buy into the party, and probably reach 100-150 cruor per kill max. Even using your example and under the current system, let's say they farm lights, they get their 18 characters up to 600 cruor/kill, they farm as long as they want to, and then they buy/sell chocobo blinkers. Think about it for a sec... if you took away the time limit, how would they be effected in that process? They wouldn't have to farm lights... which probably takes them 30 minutes or less. It's not going to effect the economy in the slightest if they don't have to spend that 30 minutes out of a 10 or 20 hour party farming lights. Many of these cleaves are infinite, with mules shouting for members in jeuno as the party lasts hours or even days. The time restriction does absolutely nothing to limit them. I mean... if you don't get it, you don't get it. That's fine and I can accept that. I've always hated RMT as much as the next person. But please don't use it as a crutch for a shitty argument.

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Most of the time, they don't even do any of that. They find people that are gullable enough and just flat out take their money and provide no exp/cruor/merit service. Almost every time I've logged on, I see a shout or yell about someone who got jipped from the notorious RMT names.

Even then, if RMT was anywhere near the problem people make them out to be all that would have to be done is lower or eliminate the gil vendor price of cruor bought items. Problem solved in reference to abyssea.

But wait Tagus, that would pose a problem for all the people advocating against removing or increasing time in abyssea areas. We can't be having that now, can we?