New weapons with higher base damage then relics

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Originally Posted by Zumi

There is a big difference. Back in the abyssea era relics were upgraded at the same time empyreans came out. Empyreans got to 85, relics/mythics got to 85 in the same patch, empyreans got to lv90 relics/mythics were 90 in the same patch and so on.

Now all we got is new weapons come out with 100+ base damage over 99 r/m/e and SE says, we have an outline of something we might do to boost up lv99 R/E/M but we don't know if we have the man power to implement it or not.

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My thoughts EXACTLY. "We don't know IF we can do the upgrades the way we want them and IF we'll have enough manpower to do so." This doesn't make me too hopeful.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

They've mentioned they wanted this sort of thing where there is an endgame gear ladder though. They want to steer away from the older format of sidegrades for years.

If anything is coming out of left field, it's the seemingly endless disapproval from the English-speaking players of this new game direction. I'm beginning to worry that I might have to learn Japanese if I want to keep playing this game into the forseeable future because there's been a marked increase in the number of English players complaining about changes well before they're even fully realized.

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Dude - JPs complain just as much if not more than English players do

Just because you can't read it doesn't mean it doesn't happen

I spend most of my time on the OFs browsing the JP forums because the things they complain about are absolutely hilarious

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

Dude - JPs complain just as much if not more than English players do

Just because you can't read it doesn't mean it doesn't happen

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Anyone able to translate their thoughts on this? JPs will be the ones they listen to.

If you want to know what JPs complain about in the OFs - just add a healthy dose of PS2 4ever and extreme EN-3PT-phobia to everything we complain about

For every posted opinion in the NA forums regarding content there is almost sure to be almost an exact equivalent in the JP forums (but the reverse is not true)

As I've mentioned before - they also complain regularly about the unresponsiveness of the developers so it's not unique to us

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

If you want to know what JPs complain about in the OFs - just add a healthy dose of PS2 4ever and extreme EN-3PT-phobia to everything we complain about

For every posted opinion in the NA forums regarding content there is almost sure to be almost an exact equivalent in the JP forums (but the reverse is not true)

As I've mentioned before - they also complain regularly about the unresponsiveness of the developers so it's not unique to us

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So JP are just as displeased with today's update as we are?

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Originally Posted by Kojo

So JP are just as displeased with today's update as we are?

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JPs get angry with people who DAT mine

(but the posts that mention it haven't been super enthusiastic)

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

Dude - JPs complain just as much if not more than English players do

Just because you can't read it doesn't mean it doesn't happen

I spend most of my time on the OFs browsing the JP forums because the things they complain about are absolutely hilarious

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Sorry, I did not mean to imply that Japanese players don't complain. I was trying to say I should learn Japanese because I'm worried about the possibility of all the English players quitting the game and then I'd have no one to play it with.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

Sorry, I did not mean to imply that Japanese players don't complain. I was trying to say I should learn Japanese because I'm worried about the possibility of all the English players quitting the game and then I'd have no one to play it with.

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OH REALLY!

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Originally Posted by El-condor-pasa

本当にやってくれたですね、私は今日からやめます。

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"They've finally done it - as for me I quit today"

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

JPs get angry with people who DAT mine

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Yet they find out how to do stuff just as quick as we do, unless Devs announce details about things they benefit from dat miners.

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

OH REALLY!



"They've finally done it - as for me I quit today"

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Are there very many of those types of posts?

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Originally Posted by Kojo

What do you mean?

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NNi gear was in the dats before we could get it originally mind you what we got was different than what they put in the dats at first, same could hold true for these weapons i mean as is, has anyone seen a recipe for the new ah ones if not, none of these weapons might be accessible yet, or even in there finished form for that matter

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

OH REALLY!



"They've finally done it - as for me I quit today"

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Guess I'll just have to invent my own language then and 18-box FFXI when everyone quits.

This guy is classic

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Originally Posted by El-condor-pasa

FFXIは終了ですね

いままで自分はなにをやってたのがわからない

オアティフール Ｄ+146 隔+96 命中+35 攻+25 ガードスキル+4 被物理ダメージ-3% Lv99～ モか

最後でこういう冗談をしてくれる開発さんに誠に感謝したいんです。

俺に引退する決意を与えた

ありがとうございます、この１０年は楽しかったです

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FFXI is at its end

I didn't know what they were up to until now!

(description of hand to hand weapon)

I would like to thank the development team - who can end things with a joke like this!

I have decided to retire

Thank you for the 10 years

It was fun

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Originally Posted by Metaking

NNi gear was in the dats before we could get it originally mind you what we got was different than what they put in the dats at first, same could hold true for these weapons i mean as is, has anyone seen a recipe for the new ah ones if not, none of these weapons might be accessible yet, or even in there finished form for that matter

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Yes, BG has recipes.

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Originally Posted by Kojo

Are there very many of those types of posts?

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They are interspersed as they are here but largely the JP forum is dazed and confused as we are

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

This guy is classic



FFXI is at its end

I didn't know what they were up to until now!

(description of hand to hand weapon)

I would like to thank the development team - who can end things with a joke like this!

I have decided to retire

Thank you for the 10 years

It was fun

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Ok, I'm glad NA/EU and JP are on the same page, but that post seemed a tad tinfoil hat-ish to me.

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Originally Posted by Metaking

NNi gear was in the dats before we could get it originally mind you what we got was different than what they put in the dats at first, same could hold true for these weapons i mean as is, has anyone seen a recipe for the new ah ones if not, none of these weapons might be accessible yet, or even in there finished form for that matter

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Was NNI gear's stats completely broken before you could access them like these are?

Sort of - they were better than pretty much everything we had ever seen - but it was also our first full group of 99 gear sets

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Originally Posted by Kojo

Yes, BG has recipes.

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damn you are correct wow 117 syths tho.... good luck not breaking that

At 110 craft skill you effectively have 120 craft skill

I just did what everyone else should do that's not happy with the changes being made. I voted with my wallet and cancelled my recurring payment on my account. Not what I want to do because I love this game but I feel like I am at a point where I have to.

Does this mean... Ochain and Aegis have just become the two greatest Relic/Empyreans out of all the weapons in every category...?

I'm looking at the shields released in the update and...nothing I'd really give them up for...


EDIT: I know they're technically armor, but they still fall into R/E categories. If you're going to build a worthwhile Relic or Empyrean... is it now these two? >_>

You forgot about horn and harp.

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Originally Posted by Ica

You forgot about horn and harp.

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That I did.

To adjust my question, are the two instruments and two shields now the best options for R/E seekers?

Unless they announce what they plan on doing with existing weapons (and implement it soon), I wouldn't risk doing anything other than the shields or instruments. That's just me though.

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Originally Posted by Ica

Unless they announce what they plan on doing with existing weapons (and implement it soon), I wouldn't risk doing anything other than the shields or instruments. That's just me though.

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I have to agree.

Looking at the items released in the update, the shields and instruments are the only ones that hold any sort of weight. Mandau and Ragnarok took a plunge and they were already the top tier you could get in that DPS department.

As it stands, the functions of the instruments and shields (High -MDT%, ~100% block rate, +Songs, etc.) are still the best you can ask for in regards to that slot/job. Weapons on the other hand... What's going to do more?

Chant du Cygne with Almace 99?
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Vorpal Blade with DMG:130, STR+13, Accuracy+25, Attack+25, and "Double Attack"+3%?

And single-handed sword has been lucky with crit hit WS's. What about Greatsword? Ragnarok 99 with Resolution used to make me sploosh myself. Now there's one with DMG:247, STR+8, Accuracy+41, and Attack+31?

(And let's be honest...you don't make a Ragnarok for the Critical Hit V...)

What the actual hell?

Seems to have been a shift in game philosophy. They use to keep armor and weapons relevant for long periods of time. Now its just everything now before delve is pretty irrelevant.

They just released skirmish not more then a month ago. Now with these delve weapons who's going to even bother with skermish. Not many people are going to go back and do the old stuff when the new stuff has 100 more base damage then it.

We still know next-to-nothing about how difficult these new weapons will be to obtain, the requisite quests, and any further circumstances involving the use of these weapons. It's a stretch to say that all R/M/E besides shield/instrument are useless, especially since SE explicitly told us that they would be receiving enhancements in the (hopefully near) future.

Who knows, maybe the new weapons will take as long as Relics? And maybe Relics will be given comparable damage ratings? Nobody knows.

EDIT: That said... every other weapon in the game is screwed, not to mention the majority of the in-game economy is forever changed...

They want you to get Skirmish weapons to start doing Delve. In their eyes skirmish gear isnt obsolete, it's just a stepping stone.

The high prices for simulacra parts are just players being players.

Skirmish gear is pretty much on par with the relics and empyrean everyone already has, if you look around FFXI you be hard to anyone who doesn't have some type of relic or empyrean.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

They want you to get Skirmish weapons to start doing Delve. In their eyes skirmish gear isnt obsolete, it's just a stepping stone.

The high prices for simulacra parts are just players being players.

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High prices are dictated by the stupidly low % on getting parts. Soul Pyres are beyond stupid and encourage 3rd pt tools more than gold boxes in Abyssea did. Pyre wants you to open from inside a wall for a Skirmish part? OH WELL.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

99 R/M/E take a large amount of real life hours to make or farm the gil needed. FFXI is unlike other MMOs like WoW, Starwars or something similar where you replace your weaopns all the time. There is a huge grind and time sink with each weapon.

SE pissing off the majority of their playerbase is not good for their company if they lose a lot of subs over it.

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It's not just other MMO's. It's the natural way of things in a progressive game. No matter how powerful your armor and/or weapon, in a game that's progressing online or not, there will always be something more powerful. This is especially true in an online context.

As I said before, the best thing that other players can do is cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack

We still know next-to-nothing about how difficult these new weapons will be to obtain, the requisite quests, and any further circumstances involving the use of these weapons. It's a stretch to say that all R/M/E besides shield/instrument are useless, especially since SE explicitly told us that they would be receiving enhancements in the (hopefully near) future.

Who knows, maybe the new weapons will take as long as Relics? And maybe Relics will be given comparable damage ratings? Nobody knows.

EDIT: That said... every other weapon in the game is screwed, not to mention the majority of the in-game economy is forever changed...

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But we do know where they come from. Half of the new weapons are craftable and recipes already known. The NQs alone rape every other weapon previously in the game.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

It's not just other MMO's. It's the natural way of things in a progressive game. No matter how powerful your armor and/or weapon, in a game that's progressing online or not, there will always be something more powerful. This is especially true in an online context.

As I said before, the best thing that other players can do is cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

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Except Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapons are exceptions to the rule. Trials have made it so that the best weapons in the game, that take time and effort, can stay the best weapons in the game. Ultimate weapons that can be properly upgraded to keep up with the flow of the game's progression nullifies "the natural way of things" in respect to those categories.

SE has already implemented a system to make sure those hard-earned weapons stay at the top. Now, all of a sudden they release crafted weapons that destroy every other weapon of it's type in the game? That seems a bit silly.

I'm also curious where this "R/M/E can't be on top forever" mentality comes from. Why shouldn't they be? Are they not the ultimate weapons of their type? Just because they came out years ago means they must become crap? Sounds like a lot of butthurt to me.

If these new 'ultimate' weapons require a relic to finish for some reason, then clearly getting a relic wasn't a waste. :P

I, as a Mandau owner, do not care... so long as I can get my hands on that shiney new 108 DMG dagger.

Well i just canceled my account and if they continue to go down this path, i will not return.

And FYI SE

I have been playing since 2005 and have a 99 aegis, 99 masa, 90 ochain, 90 almace, 85 kannagi, 85 twashtar and i have two accounts. So you lost a long term player paying for 2 accounts.

I'm sad because I have lost the drive to continue playing this game. With one brushstroke (figuratively speaking) SE has made pretty much every event but Delve 100% irrelevant, they've made the time and effort my friends and I put into our own and each other's R/E/M weapons a complete waste, and they've quite possibly completely f**ked up the economy.

I haven't cancelled my account though - yet.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

It's not just other MMO's. It's the natural way of things in a progressive game. No matter how powerful your armor and/or weapon, in a game that's progressing online or not, there will always be something more powerful. This is especially true in an online context.

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The problem is that SE doesn't usually do it this way. They've never really had a "next update destroys all the gear you have now" type attitude. Now all of a sudden they are shitting all over the weapons that people have had for years, weapons they spent a lot of gil on and put their hard work into.

To be fair... there's really no reason to get all tight just yet, as we have no idea how these weapons are truly obtained. They were found illegitimately by DAT mining, and everybody is upset. There could be any number of reasons for the information on the weapons, including they only work in Delve.