Bully: it's really bad.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

I've only done 3 dynas since the update, but in all 3, steal has never landed, and I'm always /nin for pulling, so I can't proc on the JA mobs.

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Does it have to land to proc? I guess it does raise the chances a little, but 3min recast doesn't help much.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Does it have to land to proc? I guess it does raise the chances a little, but 3min recast doesn't help much.

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I'm 99% positive in order for Steal to proc, It either has to Successfully steal a Coin, Or Actually Absorb a Buff (Dispel wont work, Only Absorbing it from my experience)

But a Missed steal, and by extent, mug, Cannot proc. So both rather useless. So is a JA on a 3 minute timer. Still better off subbing DNC if your goal is JA mobs. >.O.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

I'm fairly sure Temper is new, actually. I'm not sure SE actually listens to anyone at all when they make the Q&A. They may just be inventing both halves.

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On some JP Q&A (google translate) I saw quotes of specific people's posts and then Dev's answer. This does not get converted into EN, because original posts are in JP, so no point.
As for not listening, at least just after any version update SE monitor many forums in search of exploits/bugs people found (remember how fast 99999 Cures were fixed? or Nyzul weapons giving aftermath?). So they are aware what is being said. Taking it into account is another matter.
Things like 5 years later SE saying "we will look into PUP Damage Gauge & Scanner being bugged" can give you an estimate on how much patience and hope you'll need to have.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

I actually see 1 reason to use bully... Dynamis. We finally have a reliable JA to proc the JA dynamis mobs. If this then allows us to increase TH easier, then great. I've only done 3 dynas since the update, but in all 3, steal has never landed, and I'm always /nin for pulling, so I can't proc on the JA mobs.

(The fact that steal hasn't landed is unsurprising really since I have 0 steal + gear)

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not jumping at you, but why /nin? As /dnc you don't lose that much survivability and in return you can help with step/flourish staggers. These days with my friends we go in and split into two teams: THF/DNC+PUP/DNC+RDM/WHM(cure/haste only) and THF/DNC+DNC/SAM. And we're still doing very fine (consistent 80-110 coins per person). To Beaucedine Glacier we even go without the RDM (well, she has access now, but cities are less crowded so we stick there these days). I bet your group brings at least 1 competent mage, so give it a shot.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I'm 99% positive in order for Steal to proc, It either has to Successfully steal a Coin, Or Actually Absorb a Buff (Dispel wont work, Only Absorbing it from my experience)

But a Missed steal, and by extent, mug, Cannot proc. So both rather useless. So is a JA on a 3 minute timer. Still better off subbing DNC if your goal is JA mobs. >.O.

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I've never seen Mug proc (I ride the timer anyway, why not...), as for steal, I -think- it procced yesterday while dispelling Protect. Usualy I just ride the timer, but I might start paying more attention. I get a proc from it like once a week or so. My friend doesn't bother and just spams it on whatever for that extra 0-2 coin per 2 hours.

Yah, Mug Cannot proc, since it technically has 100% miss rate because Dynamis Mobs don't have gil.

Proc'ing on a Dispel and not absorb i couldn't recall, so i went with my gut (since the only time i remember it procing was when i stole a NIN's Utsu). But procing with just dispel is probably likely.

Shame how wonderfully useless Steal is... Even using it every single time the timer is up, I get maybe 1 extra coin a run.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Yah, Mug Cannot proc, since it technically has 100% miss rate because Dynamis Mobs don't have gil.
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Shame how wonderfully useless Steal is... Even using it every single time the timer is up, I get maybe 1 extra coin a run.

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Wait, wait! Did you just say procs >>> THF abilities and job traits? Blasphemy!
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Originally Posted by Zirael

Wait, wait! Did you just say procs >>> THF abilities and job traits? Blasphemy!
:p

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Yeah its pretty awesome actually. They give us more Treasure Hunter updates to try and shut us up, but with each update they make Treasure Hunter less and less useful.

;)

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Originally Posted by Zirael

Don't get me wrong, I'm not jumping at you, but why /nin? As /dnc you don't lose that much survivability and in return you can help with step/flourish staggers. These days with my friends we go in and split into two teams: THF/DNC+PUP/DNC+RDM/WHM(cure/haste only) and THF/DNC+DNC/SAM. And we're still doing very fine (consistent 80-110 coins per person). To Beaucedine Glacier we even go without the RDM (well, she has access now, but cities are less crowded so we stick there these days). I bet your group brings at least 1 competent mage, so give it a shot.

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We go whm nin/war dnc/nin and thf/nin. So far we only did Xarcabard, idk if the towns are any easier, but the demons hit like a truck, and not having utsusemi for EES on rng mobs would be suicide (for a Taru at least).

I go DNC/NIN + WHM/THF dualbox and pull 120 coins per run not including 100s as long as I can avoid spacing out and wiping. I get a 100-piece about every 2~3 runs, so call it 150 coins per run. 1.5mil per run on my server, also known in some circles as 150 Alexandrite.