Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

if it was .5 off its a 2% damage difference

25 *capped* = 133%
24.5 = 131%

so its a matter of gear choices i dont think the 7 str /4 attack is going to add an extra 2% to my damage i KNOW the 1% haste will.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Most people talking about 26 % haste don't know their subject. The vast majority of the gear are better than the last 1% because it's not 1%. Best case scenario, it is 0.5%.

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Most cases where you're capping haste at 26% is where you're using a Blitz Ring. Most other jobs it's a clear advantage to be using other gear.

The only argument where gear would be better than 26% is when your a non-black belt MNK, using brown belt trying to fit enough haste in to TP w/ +2 feet (requiring Tiercel Necklace). I think +2 feet is the only piece of gear that will increase your DPS more than that .x% haste. However losing 1.x% haste is not worth it as far as I'm aware.

Sorry I'm late to the party, just started looking around the forums and found this thread. Since Abyssea came out, even my casual-player style has been able to get my hands on some nice haste gear for my jobs, and the difference is incredible. When I first started playing this game, I thought haste was overrated(mostly because I didn't have any). Now that I've got some of my melee jobs to 26% haste, I can see it firsthand and wow, what a difference.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Most cases where you're capping haste at 26% is where you're using a Blitz Ring. Most other jobs it's a clear advantage to be using other gear.

The only argument where gear would be better than 26% is when your a non-black belt MNK, using brown belt trying to fit enough haste in to TP w/ +2 feet (requiring Tiercel Necklace). I think +2 feet is the only piece of gear that will increase your DPS more than that .x% haste. However losing 1.x% haste is not worth it as far as I'm aware.

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Usukane sune-ate beats the crap out of fuma.

On my blu i'm at 26% haste but can't change out gear with out going below 25% that would be better then just macroing it in i.e homam pants. If you at 25% no only retards will look down on you.

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Originally Posted by Frost

I actually debated on whether or not to put it at 25% or 26% because technically the cap IS 25%

The haste on gear that add up to that are not all accurately displayed. (As you stated)

The discrepancy is in the gear, not the cap.

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Btw thank you all for the input, I read this over like 30 times and fact checked my math and stuff.. But it's hard to get everything. I appreciate it.

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Thanks for the useful post. Bookmarked.

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Originally Posted by Rayik

Sorry I'm late to the party, just started looking around the forums and found this thread. Since Abyssea came out, even my casual-player style has been able to get my hands on some nice haste gear for my jobs, and the difference is incredible. When I first started playing this game, I thought haste was overrated(mostly because I didn't have any). Now that I've got some of my melee jobs to 26% haste, I can see it firsthand and wow, what a difference.

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I hope you're being serious!

Cause thats exactly what we want to hear here ^^

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Usukane sune-ate beats the crap out of fuma.

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herp derp only when it caps haste

Wow... While I knew Haste was good, I didn't actually realise how much of an effect it had! I remember reading up on the Haste caps in my later levels of Bard, but I didn't really look into it much more. Thanks so much Frost for such an informative thread!
I'm actually motivated to seek out a few more pieces of Haste gear for my Dragoon now! I think I have about 13% or so. >.>; I also noticed someone mentioned only equipping a few pieces of the Perle set when you didn't have other means to get more Haste was stupid, and that's kinda what I've been doing... /blush I feel so silly now. ^^;

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Originally Posted by Melraen

Wow... While I knew Haste was good, I didn't actually realise how much of an effect it had! I remember reading up on the Haste caps in my later levels of Bard, but I didn't really look into it much more. Thanks so much Frost for such an informative thread!
I'm actually motivated to seek out a few more pieces of Haste gear for my Dragoon now! I think I have about 13% or so. >.>; I also noticed someone mentioned only equipping a few pieces of the Perle set when you didn't have other means to get more Haste was stupid, and that's kinda what I've been doing... /blush I feel so silly now. ^^;

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Swift belt + full perle should put you at 18% right off the bat, so that's a good place to start I guess. Change from Swift belt to Bullwhip belt and you're at 21% already. Until you can get more than 14% haste in your 5 visible armor slots, you should probably just TP in full perle, yeah. It might make you look a bit noobish, but everyone's got to start somewhere, right?

Please rename this post to "How to feed TP: For Great Justice".

not sure if troll

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

not sure if troll

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I vote sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I vote sarcasm.

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sarcasm indeed
i agree with most of this thread, just wanted to add a little jab of venom into the mix.

This thread needs a bump. There are too many new/returning players who must read this.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

most people in 26 % haste do it because that 1% haste is better then assuming or testing every piece of gear your wearing to assure its giving you the exact correct amount of haste when you can stick 1% over and be 100% sure.

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I'll re-test it tomorrow, but i did testing on drk with newer gear v/s older gear and things like speed belt, wahlara turban, dusk gloves all gave the 60/1024, 50/1024, and 30/1024. All of the af3 i tested, such as bale hands +2, was comong out to actually have 5.11111111% haste. They all added together, but were rounded down to the nearest percent, and no combination of newer gear would go over 26%. So even if you got 25.666666%, it was rounded down to 25%. If someone else wants to check it today, go for it, but I can't log in til tomorrow.

I really should go back to start on this and update the original post. Include Embrava, Desparate Blows, etc.

A lot has changed in the time I wrote this.

In the Thief forums there was a discussion (somewhere) that using a 23% haste setup that adds more STR, Att, DA/TA, actually beats any other setup that caps haste (this was before Neo Nyzul, mind).

That setup was:

Empy+2 head, body, hands, legs and relic +2 feet, used with Twilight belt.

I assume that now, Phos +1 belt would beat Twilight, though you'd lose 2% DA for 1% haste.

It always depends on your total Haste. If you're solo, Haste isn't nearly as important as in group situations, because of more outside Haste sources. Sometimes a certain set will actually beat full Haste alternatives. For example, in his opening post Frost answers the question whether Double Attack is better than Haste with a strong "No". Saying that Double Attack is worse than Haste is an incorrect statement all by itself, the correct phrasing would be "Double Attack is worse than the equal amount of Haste, assuming Haste isn't capped, you don't have negative Haste and there are no other bonuses that enhance your Double Attack". I understand that's a bit of a mouthful, but if you want to go into details, that's what you need to consider. For example, when you're weakened, no amount of Haste will be better than Double Attack. Double Attack +x% (assuming you have 0 before) will always increase your damage output by at least x%. Haste +x% will only do more than that if a) Haste isn't negative (Slow/Elegy, Weakness, Gear, etc.) and Haste is less than x% away from the cap.

Also, Haste on one item doesn't mean much all by itself. More Haste in one item is good, because you can reduce Haste in another slot to make room for other improvements. Take the Phos Belt +1 you mentioned (out of context, in general), it's exactly the opposite: it negates other benefits (the Double Attack +2% from Twilight Belt) to increase total Haste, which can then be offset by another item. Unless that other item offers more than Double Attack +2%, that's not worth it at all.

I currently possess four items with higher Haste than what I use in my TP set on THF for the respective slots. It always depends on the rest of the set as well. Multi-attacks, critical hit rate, critical hit damage, STR, Attack and Store TP can all influence the Haste gear choices. It's rarely as simple as saying Haste beats everything else. That's why I like to say that Haste is both the most underrated and most overrated stat.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I currently possess four items with higher Haste than what I use in my TP set on THF for the respective slots.

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Similar story here. Haste is incredibly easy to cap on THF, and is obviously a must for utsu macros.

But for TP I drop to 23% visible haste with 12 triple attack and 13 double attack (before traits/merits) leading to 23 of each when /war. My gear isn't perfect either, I need a new earring to replace hollow, a new neck probably, and a new main hand (obviously I main Lux and sub triplus but couldn't get ffxiah to show it that way around).

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

We'd be able to leap off the pier faster than you. We have haste.

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lol u need movement speed not haste for that lol

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Similar story here. Haste is incredibly easy to cap on THF, and is obviously a must for utsu macros.

But for TP I drop to 23% visible haste with 12 triple attack and 13 double attack (before traits/merits) leading to 23 of each when /war. My gear isn't perfect either, I need a new earring to replace hollow, a new neck probably, and a new main hand (obviously I main Lux and sub triplus but couldn't get ffxiah to show it that way around).

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Neck > rancor unless the 10% is going to kill you (alternatively, nef collar + ranc mantle for same reason, or nef collar)
Hollow > Suppa unless you have a real good reason to not have suppa
Replace Triplus with Aluh Jambiya.

EDIT: the above are just suggestions, there is obviously better but that depends on what is available to you

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Similar story here. Haste is incredibly easy to cap on THF, and is obviously a must for utsu macros.

But for TP I drop to 23% visible haste with 12 triple attack and 13 double attack (before traits/merits) leading to 23 of each when /war. My gear isn't perfect either, I need a new earring to replace hollow, a new neck probably, and a new main hand (obviously I main Lux and sub triplus but couldn't get ffxiah to show it that way around).

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If Thaumas gear is out of the question, you should look into Haste gloves, such as Brego Gloves. With haste being "incredibly easy to cap on THF," there is no reason to not cap it.

I don't have thaumas yet, so I use +2 head, Mustela harness, brego hands, twilight belt and +2 legs. I've been looking for better options, haven't decided on anything yet though.

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Originally Posted by BigPapaBlueJay

If Thaumas gear is out of the question, you should look into Haste gloves, such as Brego Gloves. With haste being "incredibly easy to cap on THF," there is no reason to not cap it.

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I agree with you almost entirely, Only thing is, it was shown pretty heftily unless you're getting High Haste (march+Spell), that the set she is wearing is better than a Brego Glove/Dusk/whatever haste hand set so long as the enemy isn't complete fodder (Dynamis EP or Salvage).

So, If Salvage/EP Dynamis? Yah, Would be nice to carry around some form of Haste Feet or boot, For anything else, Until she's rocking Thaumus (Or Nomph Mitts actually), Her current set is fine.

Haste is pretty much everything, But today's DD need to stop forgetting how important Accuracy is as well, Since Abyssea and most of VW have spoiled us... Especially 1 handed DD and 2 handed DD who still think they auto-cap Accuracy, Those +2 Gloves offer 11 Accuracy over Brego, or most other equal haste Glove options, Which just means all the more for that set.

Long story Short, Yah, Capping haste on THF is easy, But without some key pieces (Thaumus, those 8m~9m Nomp Mitts), IN most instances, the set they're using is fine (Minus the Rancor/Nef/Suppa thing lol)

Edit:*** Flor Clarity sake, The Information I'm using was relevant around the time THF+2 Relic was released and it was mathed then, There's been a good chunk of new gear added, But for all intents and purposes, No, Brego gloves would not be better for their set unless They're getting Haste+March, or something like Embrava.

necro bump so my buddy can find this (for some reason my email is retarded and won't let me send the link.)

but hey it deserves bumping so... yay?

I'm trying to maximize haste, am I doing it right?
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