I think I'm finished; a new player's final thoughts

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

Expecting paying subscribers to use verboten tools to parse, datmine and otherwise divine out information that is effectively designed to be a trade secret between the game publisher and the guide publisher is hardly a "fix."

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yes it was and is a fix, it allows you to use communicate with players outside/offline and read posted/wiki information from players. its was feasible to give us window mode so we can use our computer, listen to music, browse the internet and look up game info.

it was S.E solution that problem, these same issues were brought up year after year. before there was a forum and we only had 1 interview with developers from some random person. they wanted to keep game info a secret and have you do it without information. basically take a party out there and figure the shit out. community was like no and when they could do the recoding and get directx on board. they made the change. basically saying here we will ease up.


Not all the information there is dat mined. wiki also had testimonials, common information that was not a quest secret or spolier and it was put there by ppl actually taking the time to write it.

i personally made the foundation to many pages on wiki, none of those tools, just reading the npc and organizing it.

sorry ive been playing this game before wiki, before allakazam forums, where information was heard through the grapevine and had to be either translated. even with the brady guide you wasnt getting anywhere.

either way,
its not a trade secret, its a game, with a puzzle that you have to solve. its what you pay and subscribe for. if its too hard, then play another mmo.

there are better things s.e can focus on. like creating new content opposite to fix irelevant content for 2% of the population who hasnt already experienced. the issue in this game is ppl finishing and getting bored and quitting.

its not like s.e is marketing to new players for this game. we need to focus on keep the people who play everyday not the 5 ppl who are going to do the lower

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Originally Posted by Feary

Not all the information there is dat mined.

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Two words: food effects.

One more: latents.

Much of that information is wholly inaccessible without a degree of reverse-engineering the game (expressly forbidden in the license agreement and terms of service), unless S-E explicitly tells you through some sort of exclusive publishing arrangement.

And if you think turning a blind eye to the use of forbidden third-party tools to determine what food grants an accuracy boost is S-E's idea of a "fix," then S-E has entered into the service agreement in bad faith and is opening themselves up to a lawsuit.

(A real lawsuit, not "internet lawyer" lawsuit.)

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How do you get to lvl 50 without getting used to being butchered by some random mob anyway? o_O;

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I didn't go back because:

1. I had no reason to; I was looking for mobs to EXP on and looked in there, clearly that was not the place to go
2. Clearly the mobs are too high level and I should not be there

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No indication from the game, really?
Try hit "/? shout", or "/? yell".

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When I got to Jeuno, everyone was shouting in yell text. Nothing in the game tells you that it is /yell. I spent quite a bit of time actually trying to figure out what the command was to talk like they were.

Okay, I just had to point this out.

This is from the other topic. This is a great example of something that would be yelled in game and I would have absolutely no idea what it means. Nothing the wiki or guides can teach me would tell me what this means:

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any chance that the JSE cape awarded from WKR be added to the rewards obtainable by the Key Items such as the library quest or RoE? i have all the WKR drops and could do with getting a JSE cape that i can use

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And no newbie player would understand it either.

Hello little taru~ I'll play with you if you want to change to bahamut server. I'm older player been here long time. Smn is a hard job because really nothing really been added to it until just recently. The emp gear is good for the prep cost. I have not yet got to test the new AF. but the first AF for smn sucked lol thats why people used YY robe.
I know few good smn's on game


Ya that shout is full of abbreviations lol JSE job specific equipment

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Originally Posted by Crevox

Okay, I just had to point this out.

This is from the other topic. This is a great example of something that would be yelled in game and I would have absolutely no idea what it means. Nothing the wiki or guides can teach me would tell me what this means:



And no newbie player would understand it either.

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That's true of any game though. Jargon like that is going to be used by the player base and new people aren't going to know what it means until they ask. All communities have their own jargon, and you learn it by participating and asking questions. Heck, the internet has its own abbreviations in each language.

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Originally Posted by bungiefanNA

That's true of any game though. Jargon like that is going to be used by the player base and new people aren't going to know what it means until they ask. All communities have their own jargon, and you learn it by participating and asking questions. Heck, the internet has its own abbreviations in each language.

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Problem is there's really no guide online for this stuff. People don't make the guides, so there's no way to learn. I mean, look, I googled "ffxi wkr" and I get nothing that tells me what it is:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ffxi...47&oq=ffxi+wkr

New players don't like asking questions like that of people either. It's intimidating, and also can make you feel stupid for asking, especially when it's potentially a party you want to join up with (first step in is telling them you have no idea what they're talking about?). I might be willing to take the time and post all of this, and talk to people, but do you really think everyone else will? Or rather, anyone else?

Thing is if you watch just a bit you see the auto trans of wild keeper reives all the freaking time so it doesn't take much more then a IQ little over 75 to connect wilds keeper reives to wkr. Franky you want hand holding play another MMO, the very few and I mean very few new players are not really helping the game that much and they wouldn't really be missed. If all I have to look forward to is FF14 with outdated graphics why bother playing 11 in the first place. Also people ask questions all the time in tells and shouts with no problems as long as they don't demand info or ask pointless retarded questions At this point in the game's life slowing the flow out is far more important then trying to attract new players or even making those players new players happy. SE knows full well that there is a good many subs of FFXI that will never go over to FF14 so to cash in on those they maintain 11.

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Originally Posted by Stompa

Well you missed out on the best FFXI expansion. WOTG mission storyline is awesome, soloable, and also WOTG events like campaign are the most atmospheric and immersive in the game. WOTG jobs Dancer and Scholar are also worth taking to 99, they are fun to play and powerful.
Re; your more generalised point about [to paraphrase] "FFXI doesn't tell you what to do", that is because it is a realistic RPG virtual world. In real-life you are not told what decisions to make either, from childhood on up you can be a shopkeeper, doctor, banker or a surfing instructor etc. The choices are open to you in real-life, and the same is true of FFXI. Some options are fairly compulsory, such as levelling and obtaining gear, but a lot of the game is wide open to your decisions on how you spend your time and where you spend it.
Linear games that have low player-input in the decision-making / options sphere, those games suck. They are linear and boring, it is like a factory production line where you are a chicken being plucked, stamped and wrapped and put on a shelf. FFXI is not like that, you are an individual in a realistic virtual world, making your own decisions. That is why it has remained popular for over a decade.

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lol zilart, chains, toau, abyssea set, and soa were all better expansions. i can agree that the wotg storyline cutscene had higher quality quests(flee speed planting bombs) and cinematic value. however that is not the only factor to define a good expansion. not the mention it took s.e 3 years to complete the storyline. which negated it all. it was also very obvious who the villian was. i doont want give it away. but that shit was sooooooo obvious. i mean come on.

lol you can be anything you want to be? lol really? that is really ignorant. life does work that way. people have different starting points and the world is not fair. hell if we all really that capable of being anything or anyone we want to be why the hell would we spend 20+ hours a week gaming. there is not real value. and you can get more entertainment with real human interactions.

most ppl who game are ppl who want to get away from thier real life. if the playerbase could have such sucess we would not be on this forum. we would be living live to the fullest.

you take the lemons and make lemonade. just like we have(afania, draylo) been saying. the game is its own unique world you have to get through.

if you want to make suggestiosn make them for the future, stop trying to fix shit that isnt broken and come up with new ideas that helps the entire playerbase directly. not just unaccomplished or highly accomplish players.

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Originally Posted by Crevox

Okay, I just had to point this out.

This is from the other topic. This is a great example of something that would be yelled in game and I would have absolutely no idea what it means. Nothing the wiki or guides can teach me would tell me what this means:

And no newbie player would understand it either.

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there is nothing wrong with asking questions. most of this stuff you will stumble on in storyline from brenton, and RoE is all over s.e sites and forums. do research; not just read wiki, ask ppl if you dont understand.

again you need to go to SoA.