Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

SA fullswing was a great alternative to lolchi blast when they didn't want you meleeing on something.

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Monks sometimes come as /THF?

Guess its true, you can learn something new every day. Unless you are talking about Dark Ixion, I already knew that.

Edit: Besides, isn't Penance worth having 5/5 for 100 seconds of 25% TP gain reduction? Or does Yurin: Ichi override/not stack with it?

They had me /thf DI once, didn't care for it. Came sam after that, lol. And it wasn't common back in the day, but was an alternative I used at times.

No one fights those HNMs anymore.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

They had me /thf DI once, didn't care for it. Came sam after that, lol. And it wasn't common back in the day, but was an alternative I used at times.

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I'm surprised they didn't have you build TP on surrounding mobs and WS on DI like I used to do.

Really, because I do?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No one fights those HNMs anymore.

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You said "ever"

and yes, while they're not a popular as before, people do still fight those monsters.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

My avatars are free without any weapon. What situation makes those Magian staves worth anything?

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Pretty uch any of the many situations where melee is risky

They're free with those too although regained MP =/= Free. The exact same logic can be compared to Myrkr my avatars are free what makes Myrkr worth anything?

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Originally Posted by Razushu

They're free with those too although regained MP =/= Free. The exact same logic can be compared to Myrkr my avatars are free what makes Myrkr worth anything?

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You misunderstood him. He said free without any weapon, which you were so kind as to quoting.

How can he use Myrkr without his staff equipped and whacking off on a mob? He isn't using any refresh atmas (they are below him, he even stated so) so he is getting free avatars elsewhere. The only thing that comes to mind besides Astral Flow is not having avatars out to begin with. That will really help out his damage output, now wouldn't it?

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Originally Posted by Korpg

You misunderstood him. He said free without any weapon, which you were so kind as to quoting.

How can he use Myrkr without his staff equipped and whacking off on a mob? He isn't using any refresh atmas (they are below him, he even stated so) so he is getting free avatars elsewhere. The only thing that comes to mind besides Astral Flow is not having avatars out to begin with. That will really help out his damage output, now wouldn't it?

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sorry misread thought he was saying SMN melee = unlimited MP again(because other styles don't offer that already)

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Originally Posted by Dallas

That portion was not there. As one of two SMN in this thread that have figured out what goes in between BPs besides nose-picking, I can safely say that the only job that ever wanted melee staves for melee was SMN.

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In a party if you're a good player theres lots to do between rages. And as for solo anything big it's stupid to melee on anyway