Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1

I think someone else mentioned that CoP started at level 30. Combine that with advanced jobs at 30 and there's some sound reasoning why Abyssea started at 30.

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

Right now you can enter abyssea at level 30. No level 30 will be of any use in abyssea. Everyone just grinds to 30 outside abyssea so they can leech jobs to higher levels. We should just cut the middle man and just let people leech from lvl 1 if they want to. It makes as much sense as letting a level 30 enter.

Discuss :D

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Isn't SE closing in on 30 years old? Well, minus the E anyway.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Isn't SE closing in on 30 years old? Well, minus the E anyway.

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What does that have to do with the level cap being 30?

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Originally Posted by Gunit

What does that have to do with the level cap being 30?

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I was insinuating that that have some affinity for the number 30.

RoZ jobs are 30, COP is 30, and the first three minisodes are 30, so I can see why this one is 30.....does not mean they made smart move putting it at 30 -.-

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Originally Posted by Gunit

What does that have to do with the level cap being 30?

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Maybe nothing... Maybe everything...

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Originally Posted by Nacht

Maybe nothing... Maybe everything...

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I am take a guess here and say it has nothing to do with it.

You guys are right, I never noticed all the 30s in this game.

Some kind of Japanese numerology?

Well, obviously we must figure this out.

It is probably key to the argument of keeping the minimum level at 30 in Abyssea.

Hmmm, okay.

Or, we could just get a spammable "+1 Level" menu option button for those days when we've been on seek 10 whole minutes and are sick of waiting, yeah? :\

hmmz yeah sure why not xD go for it lower it to 1 xD

Ummmm this is stupid.... Why lower it to 1? Just so more people can leech.. don't lower it , leave it as is.. theres a reason why they let us all now do repeatable FOV so you guys can solo easier to 30 or party to 30... Its sad to see not many other players leveling outside of abyssea anymore... please don't lower the cap on it... Increase it if possible to prevent leeching so other players below the new minimum cap on abyssea will learn to level in a party outside of abyssea and actually get there skills up! Ugh.. Nothing worst than a lv.90 with only 80-90 skill on all of his/her combat skills.. " attacks monster... miss.. miss.. miss.miss...miss... 100,000 misses later.. hits target for 5 dmg... miss..."

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Originally Posted by chrism

Ugh.. Nothing worst than a lv.90 with only 80-90 skill on all of his/her combat skills.. " attacks monster... miss.. miss.. miss.miss...miss... 100,000 misses later.. hits target for 5 dmg... miss..."

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Because this doesn't happen with people who do level sync, right?

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Originally Posted by chrism

leave it as is..

Increase it if possible

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So which is it?

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

Because this doesn't happen with people who do level sync, right?

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no it does not happen unless your stupid -.- I never let it happen, its called planning, if my skills started to fall alittle behind, I would not join sync parties, and would solo alittle till I got it back up. It was not that hard.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

no it does not happen unless your stupid -.- I never let it happen, its called planning, if my skills started to fall alittle behind, I would not join sync parties, and would solo alittle till I got it back up. It was not that hard.

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It doesn't happen to Abyssea leechers unless they're stupid either. Who hits 75-90, goes out, and expects to hit things in a serious group without skilling up first? I'll give you a hint: No one with half a brain.

Good, approach Abyssea the same way and you'll have little trouble.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

no it does not happen unless your stupid -.- I never let it happen, its called planning, if my skills started to fall alittle behind, I would not join sync parties, and would solo alittle till I got it back up. It was not that hard.

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Doing this after you level sync means you can do it after you leech a job in Abyssea.

Also, just because you do this after level sync does not mean everyone does. There are likely just as many people leaving their skills unlevelled after level sync as there are that don't. Same with Abyssea.

And honestly, I don't care if people who just take a job to 90 leave their skills under-leveled if all they want to do is take a job to 90 and never touch it again. Or if they are just doing stuff on their own with it. Or at least not with me. You don't have to do stuff with them either.

There really shouldn't be any limits to abyssea

If a level 1 person is lucky enough to have friends who want to power him up fast.. they should be able to take advantage of that ^^

The people complaining about the idea of this thread are the same ones that are too lazy to put anything together for themselves. Most of them get stuck with gimps because they lack initiative.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

The people complaining about the idea of this thread are the same ones that are too lazy to put anything together for themselves. Most of them get stuck with gimps because they lack initiative.

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Hear, hear!

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Originally Posted by Vivik

The people complaining about the idea of this thread are the same ones that are too lazy to put anything together for themselves. Most of them get stuck with gimps because they lack initiative.

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Couldn't agree with you more.

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

Right now you can enter abyssea at level 30. No level 30 will be of any use in abyssea. Everyone just grinds to 30 outside abyssea so they can leech jobs to higher levels. We should just cut the middle man and just let people leech from lvl 1 if they want to. It makes as much sense as letting a level 30 enter.

Discuss :D

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hummmmmm ...why not get lvl90 with 0 skill after havng the job flag done? ...saves time standing around, turnin dom op and leeching cruor/exp?

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Originally Posted by Sesono

hummmmmm ...why not get lvl90 with 0 skill after havng the job flag done? ...saves time standing around, turnin dom op and leeching cruor/exp?

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Dunno how entering abyssea at lvl 1 would have any different of an effect on skill than smn burning.

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

Dunno how entering abyssea at lvl 1 would have any different of an effect on skill than smn burning.

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there is no diffrence of course, but you got me wrong ...i totally dislike the idea of letting anyone leech at lvl 1 in abyssea ...i would LOVE to see they raise the minimum lvl to 75.

Why do you enjoy the grind? Anyone who knows how game mechanics works can leech a job from 30-90, skill up, and still be better off than someone who leveled the 'hard' way and doesn't know how to play their job.

Okay, I made an account JUST to post on this:

Been playing the game since it launched, on the same character. I'm a casual player, and I hate grinding. HOWEVER:

The game USED to be about forging bonds, working together, and conquering new plateaus. Prior to the most recent update, people would just put together hodgepodge parties, don't worry about skillchains, and basically were just grinding so they could get in Aby. I remember waiting for group for days on my DRG, just wanting to get it to the next level, and when I did, I had a sense of accomplishment. Now it's like, psh.. 75-90, too easy and there's no difference. Now, since the new update yes it's fast leveling. I'll 3 man party with my friend and get comparable XP to what used to take hours on end. I like this change.

Concerning Aby, it's already annoying when people keep bringing in leechs, it takes away from the strategy, speed, and overall benefit of the alliance as a whole. I say, raise it to 70, force people to go back into the fields, and they'll fine that XP is just as good out there as it is in there. (Mostly due to the recent update.)

If you all play in Japanese Aby parties, you'll see everything is set. The length of time, the jobs, the hunt, the camp, even down to the key pickers (who are usually slightly underleveled, but definately not 30, usually 68+). In most Japanese parties, somehow we manage to get necessary lights to drop TEs like crazy, in 2-3 hours, i'll have over 200-250 minutes in Aby with XP.

Many American parties, we just replace and struggle because we're down 3-4 people who could actually be making somewhat of a difference, not to mention people AFKing, and wandering around.

Atleast forcing it to 70+ (or i'll accept even 60 for curing in Bastion which is a GREAT way to get XP, shame people don't use it as much.) would alleviate people going in there to leech jobs, or an alliance going in, after 4 hours people capping and going back to leech a job.

I got DRG and BLU the old-fashioned way, and every one of those levels I felt an accomplishment, and I wouldn't trade that for anything.

FFXI has much more of offer than Abyssea, and not with FOV and the XP changes, I would venture you can pull more XP in 3 mans than having to sit in a part for atleast 6 hours before you started seeing a benefit.

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Originally Posted by Riann

Okay, I made an account JUST to post on this:

Been playing the game since it launched, on the same character. I'm a casual player, and I hate grinding. HOWEVER:

The game USED to be about forging bonds, working together, and conquering new plateaus. Prior to the most recent update, people would just put together hodgepodge parties, don't worry about skillchains, and basically were just grinding so they could get in Aby. I remember waiting for group for days on my DRG, just wanting to get it to the next level, and when I did, I had a sense of accomplishment. Now it's like, psh.. 75-90, too easy and there's no difference. Now, since the new update yes it's fast leveling. I'll 3 man party with my friend and get comparable XP to what used to take hours on end. I like this change.

Concerning Aby, it's already annoying when people keep bringing in leechs, it takes away from the strategy, speed, and overall benefit of the alliance as a whole. I say, raise it to 70, force people to go back into the fields, and they'll fine that XP is just as good out there as it is in there. (Mostly due to the recent update.)

If you all play in Japanese Aby parties, you'll see everything is set. The length of time, the jobs, the hunt, the camp, even down to the key pickers (who are usually slightly underleveled, but definately not 30, usually 68+). In most Japanese parties, somehow we manage to get necessary lights to drop TEs like crazy, in 2-3 hours, i'll have over 200-250 minutes in Aby with XP.

Many American parties, we just replace and struggle because we're down 3-4 people who could actually be making somewhat of a difference, not to mention people AFKing, and wandering around.

Atleast forcing it to 70+ (or i'll accept even 60 for curing in Bastion which is a GREAT way to get XP, shame people don't use it as much.) would alleviate people going in there to leech jobs, or an alliance going in, after 4 hours people capping and going back to leech a job.

I got DRG and BLU the old-fashioned way, and every one of those levels I felt an accomplishment, and I wouldn't trade that for anything.

FFXI has much more of offer than Abyssea, and not with FOV and the XP changes, I would venture you can pull more XP in 3 mans than having to sit in a part for atleast 6 hours before you started seeing a benefit.

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Luckily, nothing you had to say will ever come to fruition. There are much more veteran players out there that would rather not grind to 70 again.

The old way is dead, the sooner people realize that the quicker we can move on and focus on important things.

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Originally Posted by Riann

and they'll fine that XP is just as good out there as it is in there. (Mostly due to the recent update.)

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No.

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If you all play in Japanese Aby parties, you'll see everything is set. The length of time, the jobs, the hunt, the camp, even down to the key pickers (who are usually slightly underleveled, but definately not 30, usually 68+). In most Japanese parties, somehow we manage to get necessary lights to drop TEs like crazy, in 2-3 hours, i'll have over 200-250 minutes in Aby with XP.

Many American parties, we just replace and struggle because we're down 3-4 people who could actually be making somewhat of a difference, not to mention people AFKing, and wandering around.

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Japanese parties are generally terrible. You're just seeing terrible American parties too. If I can infinite TE solo with no difficulty whatsoever, and easily do so with 3-4 people in an exp setup...

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FFXI has much more of offer than Abyssea, and not with FOV and the XP changes, I would venture you can pull more XP in 3 mans than having to sit in a part for atleast 6 hours before you started seeing a benefit.

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Your parties sucked. You should be getting benefits early on. 1250xp boxes still apply to you, you still get reduced exp from dominion ops, and you should be getting healthy gold lights assuming you don't have people terrified of ruby lights.

FFXI has MUCH more to offer than exping too, and why this part of the game should be disposed of.

Hey, 1 to 90 can be done on a character that has it's limit breaks completed in a single day, any job, with enough of a group backup.

1-10 should take an hour or two tops, then 10 to 30 can be done either smn burn in korroloka, or smn burn in MMM, again, only a few hours. once you hit 30, it's just a matter of a good abyssea party capping your lights and going to town for the rest of the day.

The climb 1 to 90 is pointless and irrelevant. if you have the weapon skill or magic skills leveled on another job, you generally have enough comprehension to not absolutely suck. if you don't have the weapon/magic skills, you're still probably going to piss away a month at least at leveling them.

The skill issues are in place since SE came up with Level Sync ~ ding lvl 75 in Qufim Island... Skill lvl @ around lvl 30 >_< ...exacatly what you have if you leech in abyssea.
So the real and only problem that i see is to lvl the skills. SE really should focus on this matter and make it easier to get skill levels. (last update regarding this was a bit of a joke).

naw they need to raise the level requirements in abyssea to 75 lol:)

Reposting this since it's still very relevant.

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Originally Posted by Pharaun

It's been stated many times in this thread but it bears repeating since so many people can't seems to grasp the concept.

If you have more than 5-6 people contributing (DDing, Healing, Pulling) to an abyssea exp party then urdoingitrong.

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someone said it best... 'cause I wanna see a lvl 1 brew NMs

LMAO! perhaps i would agree on this just to see a Lv.1 pop a NM , he/she wouldn't lose xp anyways so... I guess the lv.1 can pop it , die, no xp lost, rest of team kills it, lmao.

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Originally Posted by Varchesis

someone said it best... 'cause I wanna see a lvl 1 brew NMs

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[Yes please.] But still not much different then seeing a 30 doing it.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

[Yes please.] But still not much different then seeing a 30 doing it.

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never seen that either

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Originally Posted by Varchesis

never seen that either

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No have I.

There would be a strange sense of wrong about seeing a char with noobie "?" overhead pwning an Abyssea NM.
until they realize they have no WS....

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Originally Posted by chrism

LMAO! perhaps i would agree on this just to see a Lv.1 pop a NM , he/she wouldn't lose xp anyways so... I guess the lv.1 can pop it , die, no xp lost, rest of team kills it, lmao.

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Yes because exp is dang near IMPOSSIBLE to come by... so losing exp is SUCH a HUGE problem. >_>

If you want the minimum level to be lowered to 1 you are an idiot. It takes a day or 2 tops if you really want to, to get to 30. If you leech starting at level 1 and you don't have all your skills capped already, you will be useless by the time you get to Abyssea.

You will be gimped with no skills, you will be inept at your job, etcetera. Besides at low levels the exp limits will literally be LOWER in Abyssea than actually going out and party. Why get 100-200 a kill (level 30 is capped at around 300 a kill or so) when you can go and get 300-500 a kill out partying in low level areas?

All you people wanting to leech from level 1 and up, don't have a single decent argument on your side. If you can't be bothered to take a job to at least level 30, you're useless and please leave FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Varchesis

There would be a strange sense of wrong about seeing a char with noobie "?" overhead pwning an Abyssea NM.
until they realize they have no WS....

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You need lvl2 for that these days. lol