Creating "Job Abilities" for Throwing, Shield, Parrying, and Blocking

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Originally Posted by Sarick

I posted this as a suggestion a while back called counterbash. It's exactly the same thing with a different name. Unfortunately, SE added a spell (reprisal that does this to shield. Also if this isn't a trait but an ability its going to bee weak because i'll constantly get dispelled. What's the point if it's always dispelled or has a short duration.

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You have a valid concern about the duration and ability of these enhancements getting dispelled.

When I said, "The duration of these JA's could be relatively very short in terms of JA timers, with fair recast timers to uphold game balance.", I was comparing them to JAs that have 5min timers on duration/recast and such. Creating balanced timers would be the Dev's job, but I would opt for timers that are just long enough to make a difference during battle in those tight situations while allowing core game strategy to still be what players rely on. So you wouldn't feel like the abilities are "too short", but they wouldn't last for say 5mins or longer.

Dispelling of buffs seems to be all the rave around the NM design department up at SE lol, so I'm not sure if I can help out with that issue ><; I think it's apart of the whole "Ha! We took your safety blanket, now what'cha gonna do" direction that the Devs have been designing NMs around lately, so if these abilities get swiped, you'll just have to come up with another alternative. Y'know, switch it up. ^^

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

the lose of damage from throwing 1 shuriken would be 2100,do you know what kind of shuriken you would need to do 2100 damage and gain 30 TP? It would be to have about 1500 base damage and store tp +25000.

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lol Most Shurikens have a delay of 192 which means it will have a base TP return of 5.2 TP. to calculate store TP it's the base TP return times 1+(total store tp/100). so if you have 100 store TP 5.2 X 2 = 10.4 TP. or if you have 477 store TP its 5.2 X 5.77 = 30.0 TP. (note the game doesn't record your TP past the tenth decimal place.) lol so if you really had 25000 store TP then 5.2 X 251 = 1305.2 TP will be returned. sadly characters cannot receive this amount so the true return would be 300.

So here is my question are you implying that SE needs to increase the storage tank for our TP, or do you just not know how to calculate your TP returns? lol

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Originally Posted by Azucares

lol Most Shurikens have a delay of 192 which means it will have a base TP return of 5.2 TP. to calculate store TP it's the base TP return times 1+(total store tp/100). so if you have 100 store TP 5.2 X 2 = 10.4 TP. or if you have 477 store TP its 5.2 X 5.77 = 30.0 TP. (note the game doesn't record your TP past the tenth decimal place.) lol so if you really had 25000 store TP then 5.2 X 251 = 1305.2 TP will be returned. sadly characters cannot receive this amount so the true return would be 300.

So here is my question are you implying that SE needs to increase the storage tank for our TP, or do you just not know how to calculate your TP returns? lol

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I think he was.... this:

ex·ag·ger·ate

verb /igˈzajəˌrāt/ 
exaggerated, past participle; exaggerated, past tense; exaggerates, 3rd person singular present; exaggerating, present participle

Represent (something) as being larger, greater, better, or worse than it really is
- they were apt to exaggerate any aches and pains
- I couldn't sleep for three days—I'm not exaggerating

Enlarged or altered beyond normal or due proportions
- her plump thighs, exaggerated hips, and minuscule waist


I perhaps admit I could be wrong.

Yeah I thought so but the way he carried on with math is absolute I figured he'd respect it more. He specifically said it would need 30 tp return. wow lol why did you post off topic, why did you have to look up the meaning of exaggerate, and why did you copy past it into the forum. lol glad I could help you expand your vocabulary. Don't worry you are wrong it seems like that's easy for you to admit.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I think he was.... this:

ex·ag·ger·ate

verb /igˈzajəˌrāt/ 
exaggerated, past participle; exaggerated, past tense; exaggerates, 3rd person singular present; exaggerating, present participle

Represent (something) as being larger, greater, better, or worse than it really is
- they were apt to exaggerate any aches and pains
- I couldn't sleep for three days—I'm not exaggerating

Enlarged or altered beyond normal or due proportions
- her plump thighs, exaggerated hips, and minuscule waist


I perhaps admit I could be wrong.

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@karbuncle It still made his whole argument sound stupid since he carried on in his post saying math is absolute and threw out bogus numbers like that maybe he should have thought about what he was saying instead of rambling on and on with his nonsense. Go back to BG.

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Originally Posted by Habiki

@karbuncle It still made his whole argument sound stupid since he carried on in his post saying math is absolute and threw out bogus numbers like that maybe he should have thought about what he was saying instead of rambling on and on with his nonsense. Go back to BG.

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My angry geek friend, I was not debating the validity of either argument.

You should reconsider your thought process if you felt i was.

(Is Geek an insult these days? I would hope not, Cause its not intended as an insult :o, geeks rock.
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Then again saying "go back to BG" like an insult when its more like telling someone "Go back to your 4-story mansion with an Arcade, Indoor and out-door Swimming Pool, and all-you-can-eat buffet"... Cause thats just how awesome BG is!)

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

My angry geek friend, I was not debating the validity of either argument.

You should reconsider your thought process if you felt i was.

(Is Geek an insult these days? I would hope not, Cause its not intended as an insult :o, geeks rock.
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Then again saying "go back to BG" like an insult when its more like telling someone "Go back to your 4-story mansion with an Arcade, Indoor and out-door Swimming Pool, and all-you-can-eat buffet"... Cause thats just how awesome BG is!)

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It wasn't meant as an insult wish is just worried about his ninja being gimped by making throwing better or just likes to discount everyones posts cause only people on BG know anything in his opinion.

I've found alot of imformative posts there actually but some posts are downright ignorant. I imagine you and wish are just really good friends, but that doesn't mean you should be so quick to defend him it only makes you look stupid for agreeing with anything he posts. Azus post only helped clarify for others how stupid anything wish posts is. Did you not read any of his other posts hes being talking out of his ***.

I'm just glad he's not a ninja in my linkshell since he doesn't even bother with shadows according to one of his posts since
it hurts his dps so much.

I lol'd at your comment about what BG is like.

Just wish people would allow others their opinions and not act so childish and get into a pissing contest over whos right and backing it up with horrible math, exaggerated or not it doesn't help anyone here. I don't know if he was trying to get this thread locked or not but straying so far off topic will do exactly this.

Back on topic all three throwing abilitys kingfury suggested are great and would add some more utility to throwing in general,
liked that he had animations as well. Didn't much care for the shield suggestions though.

Changing throwing to do more damage isn't really neccasary and adding these abilitys won't hurt wish at all if hes so worried about his dps he can simply not use them.

I would much rather see an increase to parrying activation then more abilitys to make it useful, it's proc rate is incredibly low though it does help in evading enemy tp moves substantially, an increase to skill ups like they did to weapons would be welcome, I'm at 321 parry and besides nms nothing really gives skill ups for it.

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Originally Posted by Habiki

Back on topic all three throwing abilitys kingfury suggested are great and would add some more utility to throwing in general,
liked that he had animations as well. Didn't much care for the shield suggestions though.

Changing throwing to do more damage isn't really neccasary and adding these abilitys won't hurt wish at all if hes so worried about his dps he can simply not use them.

I would much rather see an increase to parrying activation then more abilitys to make it useful, it's proc rate is incredibly low though it does help in evading enemy tp moves substantially, an increase to skill ups like they did to weapons would be welcome, I'm at 321 parry and besides nms nothing really gives skill ups for it.

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Thanks for the feedback Habiki /salute ^^

Well the good thing is, similar to the shield suggestions from the OP, Parrying Enhancement Abilities could warrant some form of higher rate of activation like that of "Shield Trust", or a means to add some additional damage to the mix once the parry does in fact proc like that of "Shield Retaliation". Kuporeid suggested:

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Originally Posted by Kuporeid

A riposte is a parry that moves straight into an attack. In the game, this could be implemented similarly to Monks' counterattacks, except it would require a parry to activate. A Job Ability called Riposte that turned parries into ripostes for a limited time would be neat, especially for jobs like Corsair and Ninja, who have very high parrying skill.

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(I'll put a link on the OP to ideas throughout the thread that have suggestions like these)
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That's really the point here of these suggestions though ^^. Rather than just hoping/wishing they will proc along with high attention paid to gear/weapon choices, sub job, and merits, adding abilities on top of all that which would just about "make them work" when you need them to during battle would be huge. Not 100% activation per say for some of the "enhances activation rate" types of abilities (like the shield, parrying, and blocking would have), but at a much higher and noticeable rate once the ability has been used.

Thanks again for the feedback /

**Edit to OP**

Additional Suggestions from others throughout the thread:

Enhancement Ability ——— Suggested by ——— Description
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Throwing:
*(Multiple ideas) ——— AyinDygra ——— (Read full descriptions from post #25)

•"Thorn in the Side" - Throw a Shuriken at a spot that is hard to reach, creating great annoyance. (Provoke-like effect and Damage over Time, recast 30sec)
•"Armor Wedge" - Lodge a Shuriken in the enemy's body so those attacking the Shuriken cause extra damage to the enemy.
•"Shadow Shuriken" - For the duration, you have a chance of throwing an extra Shuriken (no ammo consumed) for each Utsusemi shadow active.

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*(Multiple ideas) ——— Karbuncle ——— (Read full descriptions from post #34)

•"Brain Spike"- Additional Effect: Amnesia. This shuriken, While it will not make up for the damage of lost swings, Might be useful for pulling, Have the Amnesia last up to ~1minute, and you have a method of pulling that prevents most/all Exp mobs from Being able to TP.
•"Silence Shuriken"- Additional Effect: Silence. This one, Like the above, Won't make up for lose TP/DMG For attack rounds, But if used for pulling on a casting mob, Might save your shadows from Diaga II or Poisonga II (which they love to cast).

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Shield:
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Parrying:

•"Riposte" ——— Kuporeid ——— A riposte is a parry that moves straight into an attack. In the game, this could be implemented similarly to Monks' counterattacks, except it would require a parry to activate.(Read more from post #107)

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tl;dr

Before they even consider adding throwing WS or JA, fix the price the shuriken and maybe introduce a new higher level recipe for 90+ Ninjas that can be done with Synergy for easy HQs.

Also, we already have Shield Bash.