Battle Balance Adjustment: TP Gained through Use of a Weaponskill

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Originally Posted by saevel

So COR's use one of the other rolls instead, like the +Attack or +DA one.

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That's... half the point we're making here. Corsairs won't bother using miser's roll anywhere but VW. Even in VW, I'd argue that it's better for DDs to begin using a different atmacite and a different second roll because you don't always get a corsair for your party, and not every DD might be using the atmacite. The roll and the atmacite alone will be nearly worthless.

Yeah, stacking up save TP is broken like crazy, and it needs to be fixed, but not at the cost of a job's versatility. There are other ways to fix the problem, such as a cap on save TP or a cap on maximum returned TP.

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Originally Posted by Chamaan

Everyone's so angry they're going to end up retaliating by revisiting the multihit WS TP nerf from back in the olden days. Now the first hit in a WS will also give only 1 TP. *dusts off hands* Soblem prolved.

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They don't listen to the good ideas, don't give them more bad ideas... because if they listen to those they should cut our fee to 5$/month >.>

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Originally Posted by Juilan

They don't listen to the good ideas, don't give them more bad ideas... because if they listen to those they should cut our fee to 5$/month >.>

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Unfortunately, "Good" is subjective. I have many things I strongly disagree with the majority of NA players about (Dynamis, in particular), and I even come from the same culture as NA players. It seems to me that the JP concerns are more frequently addressed, however. If you take a look at when community reps post "responses" to certain topics, they put up anonymous "quotes" which are most likely paraphrasing concerns of other players. However, going through the thread they choose to put those responses in... you'd be hard pressed to find any player who voices the concerns the reps are actually responding to. Does this mean they're making up questions which no one has actually asked them, or are they direct responses to JP questions merely translated so we get a heads up on the direction the game is about to go in?

It's my belief that the devs actually read the forums, but since they're Japanese, they don't read the English, French, or German forums. I'm not saying that's a bad thing- it would mean they really do care about their game, and just see us as the disgusting, uncivilized slobs that we are. But it creates a sort of "glitch" for us NA players. We raise a concern, wait a week, and get a response that seems to have nothing to do with the concern we raised in the first place.

The reason for this is... well, you ever play that elementary school game "telephone"? These forums pervert our intentions in a similar fashion. Each player has a thought in their head, and they try to relate it through text. Text which cannot adequately relay tone, authority, or urgency. Our text is then read by community reps who may or may not fully comprehend what we're trying to say, then attempt to put it into terms their brain can understand and relay to others. They then bring up these modified concerns with the devs in a completely different language (and we've seen how much can get lost in translation ourselves). The devs then attempt to understand, and give a response. The community reps then translate back to English and post on the forums. Then we go "wtf is this abomination? This has nothing to do with what I asked..." because instead of hearing "Miser's roll will have no use anywhere outside of VW.", the devs heard "i liek turtles."

I'm not saying the community reps suck at translating, please don't mistake me as saying that. I'm merely saying we're playing a game of telephone in which the language changes twice.

Please forgive my rambling, I'm merely musing on why it's so hard to get an answer to the question you actually asked.

^^ That's a lot of words to just say "our concerns are probably not reaching the devs because of translation issues"

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

Then we go "wtf is this abomination? This has nothing to do with what I asked..." because instead of hearing "Miser's roll will have no use anywhere outside of VW.", the devs heard "i liek turtles."

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How hard is it to translate: Save TP should have a hard cap?

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Originally Posted by Mirabelle

How hard is it to translate: Save TP should have a hard cap?

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Fed through auto-translator: TP を保存したハードキャップべきである
Translates back to english as: To save a TP should be hard cap

(Sounds alot like an old electronics manual)

You know, I read a lot of people talking about how cor would go back to being a unimportant or undesired job. In my mind, Cor will always be desirable; probably because I have a bard for everything I do and that there is no reason to come to anything with a 2nd bard, especially with Darabula in the picture. Don't get me wrong, I completely dislike this update, but even without misers id put a cor with the dd party if they had a bard. Rogues roll and chaos roll is not a bad combo whatsoever; on the contrary it will amplify any good dd's damage immensely.

That being said, it would suck to be the cor and lose a significant chunk of your damage output and yes i believe that an overall cap is the best solution to the problem as it doesnt enrage cause as much anger for people who spent cruor on the atmacite of discipline.

I also think a haste roll would either be too much, or just so weak when they implement it that it doesnt even matter; both of those will end up with it getting nerfed and made useless whether its at the start or after its proven overpowered.

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Originally Posted by Senseinokaneko

You know, I read a lot of people talking about how cor would go back to being a unimportant or undesired job. In my mind, Cor will always be desirable; probably because I have a bard for everything I do and that there is no reason to come to anything with a 2nd bard, especially with Darabula in the picture. Don't get me wrong, I completely dislike this update, but even without misers id put a cor with the dd party if they had a bard.

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Actually, they're not so much saying that cor will be worthless, they're saying that if you have to choose between cor or brd, you'd choose brd. Your arguments are that if a bard is in the party, then corsair is pretty neat. I'm guessing you'd probably agree that bard does more for the party than corsair.

Which I should mention is ok because bard's ability to deal damage is significantly lower than corsair's. However, bard makes up for this with their ability to pull, debuff, crowd-control, and help with whm duties vastly better than corsair could, so bard is overall a better choice.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

Actually, they're not so much saying that cor will be worthless, they're saying that if you have to choose between cor or brd, you'd choose brd. Your arguments are that if a bard is in the party, then corsair is pretty neat. I'm guessing you'd probably agree that bard does more for the party than corsair.

Which I should mention is ok because bard's ability to deal damage is significantly lower than corsair's. However, bard makes up for this with their ability to pull, debuff, crowd-control, and help with whm duties vastly better than corsair could, so bard is overall a better choice.

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There is currently ~NO~ situation where you choose one from the other. You need both for Voidwatch. Upcoming Legion encourages big groups thus no issue there. This leaves Nyzule isle as the only 6-man content, and COR is just as useful as BRD, both have light based sleeps and the COR does a hellova lot more damage then the BRD, especially if they have WF.