Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Bolded: Most actual DDs don't have staff skill merits.

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Most DDs DO have merits in whatever their primary weapon is.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Most DDs DO have merits in whatever their primary weapon is.

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But SMN's main spike damage comes from avatar, not player.

I would understand if SMN is your only job, but I'm sure you have PUP also, so you could have spent the merits on H2H, Evasion, and Guard. Since PUP is considered more of a DD than SMN.

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But SMN's main spike damage comes from avatar, not player.

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Even if you ignore other reasons, sometimes I'm called upon to proc red or blue (crazy as it sounds), meriting makes it as easy as possible.
I have 8 dagger 8 staff 8 hand to hand 4 evasion and 4 that I haven't bothered to spend yet because I'm not sure what I'm going to do with them. Probably scythe since I leveled DRK recently.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Mine is 305 skill, 367 attack on SMN. 72 STR naked on SMN, but I don't have any STR+ gear for it.

391 attack on WAR. But then again, I got the STR to back it up. 86 STR naked on WAR. I have +37 STR gear for WAR too. Bunch of Attack+ and Double Attack+ gear too.

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Something is wrong with your WAR, sitting in TP gear I have: 565 Attack. FC gear: 625 attack. Berserk Down Ukko's gear: 618 Attack, Berserk Up Ukko's gear (without acutal berserk) 547 attack. without gear i figure i'm only losing about 55, which would still put me over 500 attack in tp set.

STR base 94(fully merited)

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Something is wrong with your WAR, sitting in TP gear I have: 565 Attack. FC gear: 625 attack. Berserk Down Ukko's gear: 618 Attack, Berserk Up Ukko's gear (without acutal berserk) 547 attack. without gear i figure i'm only losing about 55, which would still put me over 500 attack in tp set.

STR base 94(fully merited)

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1) I was talking about WAR staff.
2) I don't have STR merited, I have INT merited for BLM
3) I was naked, you even quoted that
4) I was comparing my staff skill with yours vs Dallas staff set. I even said naked SMN has XX attack and XX STR.

Edit: If you want to know, I'm sitting on 562 attack TP on my Bonesplitter (Trial 1354) atm. I have a Widowmaker, but am working on my Ukon. My TP has 16% DA, STR+30, Att+73, STP+13%, Acc+42, DEX+19, and Haste +27% (I know, overkill, but 27% in 4 slots I'll take than 23% in 5 slots).

WS: STR+42, Att+105, Acc+39, DEX+29, and whatever both Snow Gorget and Belt adds to Att/Acc

That way, Dallas can't call my gearset gimp, for whatever reason.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

If you can't break at least 600 attack with food, then you must be wearing some kind of attack - gear or your weapon isn't fully skilled.

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So, have you thrown this out yet? The topic is "outside of Abyssea."

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Originally Posted by Korpg

But SMN's main spike damage comes from avatar, not player.

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SMN: the only job where players are too incompetent to realize that spike damage < total damage.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

SMN: the only job where players are too incompetent to realize that spike damage < total damage.

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So says a SMN who claims to out damage an Ukon WAR who's WS does a total of 0 damage each time.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

1) I was talking about WAR staff.
2) I don't have STR merited, I have INT merited for BLM
3) I was naked, you even quoted that
4) I was comparing my staff skill with yours vs Dallas staff set. I even said naked SMN has XX attack and XX STR.

Edit: If you want to know, I'm sitting on 562 attack TP on my Bonesplitter (Trial 1354) atm. I have a Widowmaker, but am working on my Ukon. My TP has 16% DA, STR+30, Att+73, STP+13%, Acc+42, DEX+19, and Haste +27% (I know, overkill, but 27% in 4 slots I'll take than 23% in 5 slots).

WS: STR+42, Att+105, Acc+39, DEX+29, and whatever both Snow Gorget and Belt adds to Att/Acc

That way, Dallas can't call my gearset gimp, for whatever reason.

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O, that makes more sense.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

SMN: the only job where players are too incompetent to realize that spike damage < total damage.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

That way, Dallas can't call my gearset gimp, for whatever reason.

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AFAIK, no SMN promoting melee has posted a TP setup.

Edit: Or any results of a parse on targets outside Abyssea designed for 90.

I'll post my SMN gear if he does.