Mud Spikes, Wind Spikes, and Aqua Spikes

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Originally Posted by Kensagaku

Eh, I don't really have a problem with the fire one off the top of my head, but the other three...

The ice one? You're creating an invincible for mages, and since it's only used in panic moments, it would probably have to be fairly fast cast. This could be potentially abused by TAing a lot of hate onto said mage, having them put up invincible, and heyo, invincible non-acting tank.

Plasma shield - How would this work? Why would it reduce the effectiveness of status ailments? The RP aspect of it aside, giving a "Resist All I" trait via spell seems way OP, especially when we have spells for individual resistances that don't stack with each other (element on element or debuff v. debuff... you can have barparalyze/barblizzard up at the same time, for example).

Noctowall - Waaaaaaay OP. Too many buffs for a single "defensive" spell.

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ice one i admit it is more stolen from wow, it has a long recast and for like 7 seconds you can't move or take damage, I really cannot come up with some type of ice defence that already exists

the thunder one is for Enfeebling magic cast on you, like say para is procing on you ever 2 seconds, it would make it happen every 4 seconds or something, ill lower the effectiveness rate, so it does not conflict with bars and what they do. (like the fire one with int, it is like making your mnd check higher when you go though the formula) so it is like the shock defender, like my fire idea was based off burn.

as far as nocowall hay you want a true 99 game right? I could say you will have a need for it to take on 99 endgame, ya OP for current state that is why i noted more for 99 game

I like the idea of Bravery and Faith, especially if Faith were to stack with Ebullience and Bravery to stack with COR rolls and BRD songs, I don't think it's necessarily stepping on a jobs' toes when effects stack, hence COR and BRD don't really step on each other's toes - I've been in a party with both stacking ATT and ACC bonuses and it was insane, then again how many parties invite both? I'm not sure what to go with, the Thunder Element Plasma Shield, maybe, it is similar to something I suggested earlier, where enfeebles are resisted, which I'd probably scrap for Magic Shield (suggestion below) as Magic Shield would be able to do the same thing, and more. If it easing the burden like making paralyze hit less often, it'd be different enough to warrant another buff, but I think I'm more likely to cast paralyna or erase.

On the Dark Side - maybe have Magic Shield, I know BLU has Magic Barrier, but I don't see it doing any damage in giving a version to other mages. It already is Dark Elemental. Magic Barrier is over written by Stoneskin, which is fair - you might cast Magic Shield instead of Stoneskin if facing an arcane mob or one who likes to use enfeebling effects, including dispel. Like Stoneskin it'd be target-self only and can be AoE'd by Accession.

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Originally Posted by Urteil

RDM doesn't need shit.

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Oh yes they do. RDM takes a long time to kill monsters, making it a not-very-speedy job to level up solo. RDM doesn't have any really good weapon skills, either.

I think RDM should at least be able to solo skillchains and magic bursts. How? It would be loads of fun.

First of all, RDM would need a whole set of elemental weapon skills that at least equate with Burning Blade. So you'd have Dirty Blade, Splashing Blade, Tornado Blade, Burning Blade, Freezing Blade, Shocking Blade, Shining Blade, and Condemnation Blade or something for the dark element.

This could work a couple of different ways. You could use Enfire II, then use a Fire-based weapon skill, followed by a fire spell for both a skillchain and a magic burst so we can kill more quickly.

Or, even more creative: Use Enfire II, then cast a water spell on the mob, then cast a Thunder spell. Since he's all wet, the thunder spell SHOULD burst, logically.

Or using Enthunder II, then a Water spell would cause Enthunder II to do more damage.

Shock your monster by first using Fire, then Blizzard for twice the damage as normal. Or Stone, then Aero for twice the damage as normal.

Somewhat of a necro post, but I wan't to make it clear why I believe the 6 spells Aquaviel, Stoneskin, Blink, Blaze Spikes, Ice Spikes and Shock Spikes were introduced as one set of spells.

I would like to start by stating that I don't think it is either good posting technique, or manners to purely state "you're wrong" in response to an opinion. Regarding a proven fact? Like 2+2=5? That's fine. But not an opinion such as the one being discussed. In this post I will give a mildly-detailed explanation to my opinion that they are the same group of spells. I find it both rude and offsneive that You, Rambus, keep shouting "you're wrong". In the end, none of us truely know what was SE's intent. Was it a group of 3 spells? Or a group of 6? (Remembering that Reprisal/Drain Spikes were added at a later date, and we must look back to their original implamentation). You have no more right to say they are a group of 3 spells, than I do to say they are a group of 6. The fact you believe you do is quite distressing. Your logic is that they all have the word "Spikes" in the name. That's a fair point, but you never even asked me what my view was for stating I believed Aquaviel/Blink/Stoneskin were alread Water/Wind/Earth "Spikes".

Anyway, moving on. Here was the logic for my statement that the 6 spells form one group:
Blaze Spikes: Surrounding yourself in a wall of Tire.
Shock Spikes: Surrounding yourself in a wall of Thunder.
Ice Spikes: Surrounding yourself in a wall of Ice.
Blink: Surrounding yourself in a wall of Wind.
Aquaviel: Surrounding yourself in a wall of Water.
Stoneskin: Surrounding yourself in a wall of Stone.

If you touch fire, you will burn (hurt) yourself, thus this spell damages the attacker.
If you touch an electrical field, you will get shocked, leading to a stun affect.
If you touch a wall of ice, your hand will get cold and may stop functioning ("frozen solid"), leading to the closest affect in the game: paralysis.
If you try to touch a blowing wind, it is likely the wind will blow your arm off-course causing you to miss. A shadow affect represents this.
If you touch a wall of rock, you wont do anything to yourself, but it will be sturdy and difficult to break through.
If you touch a wall of water, your movements will become slower and softer (ever tried punching someone underwater?). Longer attacks mean more time for the defendant to concentrate, leading to spell interupt +.

You see? If you concider the 6 spells as putting up elemental defensive barriers around yourself, the idea is not so difficult to grasp. My opinion that this was SE's original intend has merit, and to simply dismiss it so quickly and so rudely, especially after going on your holy crusade is pretty poor to be honest.