I think I'm finished; a new player's final thoughts

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Originally Posted by Stompa

"Role Playing Games" are a longstanding culture dating back to the late 1970s when I was a kid and I was playing a brave knight in tabletop dice-n-books D&D, and RPGs are a not a passing fad or a gimmick label to tag onto products - RPG is a lifestyle, and a deep passion for millions of veteran gamers around the globe.

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You may or may not need to get out more.

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Originally Posted by Stompa

FFXI is the best open-ended RPG videogame online. No challengers come anywhere near to taking the crown from FFXI.

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Get a dictionary, and check the definition of "fact" and "opinion."

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Originally Posted by Stompa

Or you can RPG your character as with a death-wish person, somebody brave who takes risks others are unwilling to chance, because their family was killed by orcs and now they only seek death on the battlefield in the hopes of being reunited with their family in Heaven. Or a healer who feels victorious when the party survives, and weeps when somebody falls in battle. Or a thief who only speaks occasionally and watches everyone else with hawk-like eyes and ears instead. The option to play FFXI as a pure RPG *does totally exist* and it is entirely upto the user to provide the imagination and depth of personality that goes into the character - just like dice-n-books RPGs.

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I don't drink much or do hallucinogens, but I'm sure if I did I still wouldn't begin to understand this.

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Originally Posted by Stompa

Or you can play FFXI as a sort of basic arcade beat-em-up too, although this is not as rewarding as playing the RPG element.

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Please check the right answer: The above statement is a fact. __ The above statement is an opinion. __

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Originally Posted by Stompa

Re; the long drawn-out stuff. Again - if you remove the grind, you kill the game. Keep it lengthy and keep it challenging, thats the ticket.

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Trust me, they could remove every expansion, every enm/bcnm/kcnm etc, every VW path progression, and this game would still have 10 years of "grind" if you put your mind to it. If you didn't have to fight the whole path to get to Qilin, you'd still be grinding him for weeks and months if you wanted a Coruscanti. If you didn't have to unlock Dynamis, you'd still have to grind for currency to get a relic. If you didn't have to complete CoP to attain 109 AF armor, you'd still have to get the original AF, grind the sparks/bcnm for chapters, then grind 20 merits per AA fight to get enough seals. And someone who isn't already in 119 armor will not get into a difficult/very difficult AA group, and can't grind merits as efficiently, so that all adds to the grind. Or you could just start a Mythic. The grind was never the issue, it's the roadblock leading to the grind.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

What's the quick route to the Sacrarium? Only way there is a long trudge through monsters that don't even aggro you at the area's old level cap. Boneyard Gully? Again a long yomp, again aggro-free at the old level cap.

Long walks that exist for nothing more than the sake of being long walks, and continuing to be long walks.

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It's ten minutes or less from the homepoint or outpost warp, especially with the increased movement speed they added at the end of the year. That's very quick compared to what we used to have. As I said, going anywhere is generally a 5-10 minute run from a transportation landing.

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Originally Posted by Stompa

somebody with a Doctorate such as I've got

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I don't care one way or another about your little spat, but come on...

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Originally Posted by Stompa

Are you saying it is a bad thing to be educated? Or that you don't see the relevance of how being educated means that a person understands basic words like "fact" and "opinion" which was the point/flame I was responding to.

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He is saying that using your title like that was petty.

I mean I don't actually disagree with your post about roleplaying (I gave it a Like), but that did make you look pretty bad. <_<;

That guy is just a troll posting on a mule's account. Just ignore him.

I was actually saying I can't believe anyone with a doctorate could write such a poorly constructed sentence. In addition, doctorate should not be capitalized.

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You suggesting that somebody with a Doctorate such as I've got, doesn't know basic words like 'fact' and 'opinion' is also a gross personal insult, and again has nothing to do with FFXI or the subject at hand.

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How about "Given that I have a doctorate it's ridiculous to suggest that I don't know the meaning of basic words such as 'fact' and 'opinion,' and it's also a gross personal insult that has nothing to do with FFXI or the subject at hand."

Raydeus is right though, it is also petty. At the very least, however, if you're going to brag about academic credentials, please take care to do so in a way that doesn't make you look ridiculous.

I do agree, however, that the person who was attacking you was out of line. I just shudder to see sentences written in the passive, poorly.

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Originally Posted by Stompa

Did you read the troll post that followed my perfectly innocent and upbeat RPG post, in which I flamed nobody and did not insult anybody about their level of intelligence?

That troll post said I should "get a dictionary and look up fact and opinion." As I am a Doctor, I do not need to get a dictionary to look up basic words like "fact" etc. Me pointing this out to the troll-post writer, was not petty, it was just me stating "fact" - which is ironic under the circumstances. If they had not insulted me with their post and told me to look up basic words, I would not need to assert the fact that I know those basic words already, and in fact I know some very long complicated words besides.

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I did read it, and I can see it got to you.

Which is precisely the point of making trolling posts like that, to get to you and make you rage about it. So the moment you took offense to a post from someone on the internet that's the moment you "lost", so to speak.

Actually, insulting people was the last thing I wanted to do, Stompa. I agree that my tone may not have been the friendliest, but I merely tried to emphasize how ridiculous it was for you to state your opinions about the game like they were facts, and subsequently use them as a basis for your position on the topic (i.e. RPGs are a "lifestyle" to me, and, thus, every grind, regardless of how outdated or unhealthy it is, must be kept and the OP cannot be given any leeway). Also, a person's post count should have absolutely no bearing on whether they are heard or not. Using that as a measure of a poster's experience/worth/ability shows how truly subjective one's take on this topic is, and is also the reason I chose not to link my main character on this forum. I post when I desire to, which is not very often. Furthermore, I am not here to make enemies, and we're discussing a video game after all, so let's just leave it at that.

I'm not new to FFXI, so no matter what they change with content lockouts, 95% of it most likely won't affect me. I argue for the OP and against you in this thread not because I like him and hate you, but because I look at the logic of each post and argue accordingly. The fact is the OP is a new player who represents a typically silent population of new players (no matter how small it is, it is there) and the changes he asks for are reasonable and in line with the general direction that FFXI has been heading.

No it's not he just said he wants to get rid of everything trivial. What is trivial to him most likely isn't to those who oppose him. Also where do we stop at if we did take out trivial things? It is a very slippery slope to where it's like stomps said it might as well be an app that allows us to put dogs in cute costumes.

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Originally Posted by Afania

Because there are ppl that still enjoys FFXI/MMORPG as a whole, not FFXI/MMORPG with just jobs/battle/combat.

I want to play FFXI as a whole, including the running, long CS, "long journey to the end" feel. I want to feel like living in another world.

I don't want to play a MMO which I log on, hit cap in 2 weeks, and the only purpose of playing is to hit cap so I can do the "real content". I don't want to feel like I'm playing a game to beat a boss and get achievement.

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Guess what, nothing that has been suggested would prevent you from it.

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After all the crazy 30 pages I'm not sure why this still goes on. There are titles that feels like living in another world, with slower pace, more walking and more running/boring quests. Because the point of this kind of game, is to live in a virtual world and keep playing the game as another life.

There are also titles that focus on endgame and difficult raiding. With epic boss and loot, and complicated combat system. Everything from lv1~cap is meaningless. FFXIV/WoW is this type of the game. The point of this type of game is instant gratification.

I'm not sure why is it so hard to understand that everyone has different taste, and why do people like Demonjustin/Crevox continue to linger in FFXI, but hating FFXI for what it is.

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I'm not sure why it is so hard to understand that everyone has different taste, and why do people like Afania continue to act as though other games like FFXIV and WoW are accurate replacements for FFXI when the gameplay is entirely different, and nothing asked for changes this game's gameplay or difficulty, only mediocre boring easy crap we don't find fun or entertaining in any way and want to cut out so that players can more easily enjoy the game?

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I don't like WoW and FFXIV, I quit instantly because I know it's not my cup of tea. I don't yell on their forum, asking for the game to change focus. I don't "hate" every element in games like FFXIV. I love the boss mechanics in FFXIV, it's fun, but the lack of role playing element made me quit. I don't linger in FFXIV just because I like 1 aspect and hoping every other aspect to change to fit my taste too. Being an instant gratification MMO is part of FFXIV, it's just what it is. I can't have a game with fun boss mechanics AND a virtual world. I either play FFXIV for fun boss mechanics or quit for another MMO for virtual world.

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Cool, you see, this is where we differ, you liked the FFXIV battle mechanics and didn't like the RPG aspect, I don't like the battle mechanics of most MMOs, in all honesty I hate most MMOs because the gameplay is so boring to me, and I would probably hate FFXI too if I hadn't played it nearly every day for the last few years. The thing is, I can't find another game like FFXI, and even if I could, I wouldn't have the same people playing it with me, which means either I try to change this game, I leave all the people I know and this game, or I sit here and do nothing, I pick the first of the 3, it seems the best, and if things aren't changed I lost nothing in the process.

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So you like FFXI job/battle system? Sure. But just face the truth, a MMORPG is more than "log on and have fun beating the boss with a cool battle system". A MMORPG, at least this game, is everything. Walking, running, watch CS, make friends so you can do content, buying stuff and selling stuff, dealing with retards, grinding RME, it's all part of the gameplay. Something someone else enjoys. Maybe someone else who haven't finish everything also enjoys it, and now you're asking SE to take it away from them too

If you don't like grinding/walking/watching CS but only like the battle system, make a decision, leave and give up on the battle system, or stay but tolerate the aspect you don't like. I don't think I've ever play a game and found myself loving every aspect of it, there are always a few aspect I don't like, so what's the big deal?

Stop asking dev to change the game into another instant gratification MMO where everyone's only purpose is to kill boss, thanks.

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No, I'm not going to stop asking devs to make changes to the game that I think would make the game better, that is the entire fkin point in having forums! What in the world do you think these forums exist for if not for feedback? So we can talk to people on other servers? No, because SE knows we have multiple sites like BG and FFXIAH for that, this forum was created with the idea of feedback, and yet at the same time what we seem to have right here is a bunch of people basically saying that feedback isn't allowed unless it affects you specifically(in the case of my arguing for the sake of arguing since I completed CoP and god forbid someone want changes to help others), it changes the game to be easier(because people misunderstand what difficulty is and think that doing CoP constitutes as in any way being difficult even though it's literally killing TW and EP mobs over and over), or if it changes old requirements for content that was created years ago and anyone with eyes, hands, a brain, and a character at 99 could curb stop on any given day of the week.

So, no, I will not stop asking Devs to change the game, be it your misguided vision on what I personally ask for or if it's what I really ask for, I will ask for whatever changes I please, and you are free to misinterpret them however you wish.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

No it's not he just said he wants to get rid of everything trivial. What is trivial to him most likely isn't to those who oppose him.

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So you're telling me that completing CoP before getting certain ilevel gear is a massively important thing to all of the people opposing that 1 specific change, even though it literally doesn't affect them at all if it's changed since they already have it finished?

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Also where do we stop at if we did take out trivial things? It is a very slippery slope to where it's like stomps said it might as well be an app that allows us to put dogs in cute costumes.

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Slippery Slope arguments are in my opinion the worst arguments that can ever be made to not do something. You know why? Anything can be taken too far, look far enough down that slope and you will find a terrible place no one wants to end up at, but generally people don't look down these slopes unless it's something that they don't want or doesn't affect them. The argument that it's a slippery slope is basically 'it could end up being bad later, so lets do nothing that could even remotely start that chain now' rather than even thinking the idea of 'lets do what makes things better now, and if the time comes that things start getting out of hand lets slam on the breaks' which in my personally opinion is the much better way to go about it.

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Originally Posted by Stompa

My Doctorate is in Social Science, which I have taught at University for almost twenty years. My qualifications are not in the field of "writing beautiful prose on web forums."

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If there's one thing I know about graduate school, is that you will have a style manual beaten into you. And you should have written more than enough papers by now that "writing beautiful prose" should be second nature to you, be the medium a web forum or not.

Don't title drop your degree and not expect to be held to the higher standard you just introduced.

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Originally Posted by Demonjustin

Slippery Slope arguments are in my opinion the worst arguments that can ever be made to not do something. You know why? Anything can be taken too far, look far enough down that slope and you will find a terrible place no one wants to end up at, but generally people don't look down these slopes unless it's something that they don't want or doesn't affect them. The argument that it's a slippery slope is basically 'it could end up being bad later, so lets do nothing that could even remotely start that chain now' rather than even thinking the idea of 'lets do what makes things better now, and if the time comes that things start getting out of hand lets slam on the breaks' which in my personally opinion is the much better way to go about it.

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That is the difference between some posters like you and me. You think these proposed changes are good, while I see them as starting to get out of hand already. We have different views at where the point of "good for the game" and "going too far" lie.

For me, the point lies betweens easing the difficulty of content (good) versus removing the content from the equation completely (bad), like in regards to the request to separate CoP progression from reforged armor.

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Originally Posted by Demonjustin

Guess what, nothing that has been suggested would prevent you from it.

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You said want to be a game designer but you still don't understand psychology and human behavior.

Players don't purposely pick 1 way to play the game, unless the designer force them to do it. Further more, even if 1 person decided to play the game different from what designers wanted them to, the rest of the community still gonna play the way designers wanted them to, in the end you still won't get the said experience.

For example, if a party gets 10000 EXP/hr, solo gets 9990 EXP/hr, most people would just solo. Because the extra time you spend making a pt makes it less efficent than solo. Even if you want to party just because you love to party, nobody else gonna party with you because it's not efficent for THEM. If you want players to party, you have to make solo EXP 10/hr or content unbeatable. You can't expect players to party by themselves just because they like to party. You have to make the game a party focused game.

What is the point to purposely play slow, when every other player isn't going to play slow? It doesn't work that way. MMORPG community work as a whole, you can give players option to travel by teleport or travel by 10 min airship, 99.99999% of players gonna travel by teleport, even if you want to travel the slow way, nobody want to wait for you in the party. This applies to every aspect in this game.

Basically, what you're saying is, if you want to play slow, go play slow, but I want instant gratification, dev give me instant gratification. It may work in a single player game, but it doesn't work in MMO, in which you also play with other players. The game design affects entire community, not just 1 person.

The experience a game provides, is not related to player choice, but the game design itself. Purposely play slow or purposely spend time in other aspect of the game, does not change the nature of the game.

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Originally Posted by Demonjustin

I'm not sure why it is so hard to understand that everyone has different taste, and why do people like Afania continue to act as though other games like FFXIV and WoW are accurate replacements for FFXI when the gameplay is entirely different, and nothing asked for changes this game's gameplay or difficulty, only mediocre boring easy crap we don't find fun or entertaining in any way and want to cut out so that players can more easily enjoy the game?

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The thing you don't find "fun", is the thing I find important in a RPG.....something I find "fun". Also I really don't understand your logic. Based on your previous statment, it's obvious that FFXI is not your cup of tea, barring combat/job system. But you choose to complain on FFXI forum so they change the game direction to fit your taste. Why don't you do the same on FFXIV forum? FFXIV can't replace your XI, why not complain on FFXIV(or instert your MMO title) forum so they change the gameplay/battle system and made FFXIV a proper replacement?

It just....logically it makes zero sense. You dislike XI, but continue to linger in XI, wanted XI to change so it become a game you'd like. But you don't do the same to other titles so other titles fit your taste.

Maybe you should start a post about how bad FFXIV battle system is so dev can change it....I mean, they've changed the FFXIV battle system several times in past 3+ years, sure they can change it again if you complained enough!

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Originally Posted by Demonjustin

No, I'm not going to stop asking devs to make changes to the game that I think would make the game better, that is the entire fkin point in having forums! What in the world do you think these forums exist for if not for feedback?

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Of course everyone has their opinion about what make a better game, and you're free to present your opinion. I don't always love FFXI, there are certain game direction I don't like either. I don't like Abyssea era because everyone play with mules and it killed the whole point of playing MMO, I don't like SoA era because SoA direction made FFXI feel more like a game and less like a virtual world, thus made the game less interesting. I dislike them, I've complained about them on the forum a couple of times, but I don't start thirty nine pages of discussion and continue to complain just because the game won't change. I wrote a couple of SoA rant on the forum, but I don't linger for thirty nine pages on the forum just because the game won't change. I either move on if I don't like the direction, or deal with it. Despite I post on the forum often, I only play FFXI a few hours a month because I don't find FFXI fun anymore, and I used to play a lot. And even then, I don't complain for 39 pages like OP just because if the game isn't what I wanted it to be.

I don't like the direction, and not everyone agree with me, what else I gonna do? Write a couple of rant post, if games won't change then move on. I just fail to understand why you/Crevox have so much hate about the game direction, with opinions obviously not everyone agrees, AND continue to complain on the forum for 30 pages. As if everyone has to agree with your opinion or else you won't give up.

The issue isn't even "I have different opinion", the issue is "you must agree with my opinion or else....", then inc 30 pages of discussion, and it's still going on.

You don't like this game, other ppl still like this game. If you guys have so much time to complain about a game direction that's obviously not your cup of tea, at least pick a different game already heading toward a direction you want.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

Oh snap Afania just got back into the thread ya-all. This is gonna go for at least 5 more pages. Go get your popcorn and have a seat. :D

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This statement pointed out that I'm not the main culprit of this 35+ pages thread. It's going to last forever without me, tbh ._.

Oh I know it will unless a community rep locks it cause it just now is starting to get reaaaly nasty.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

Oh I know it will unless a community rep locks it cause it just now is starting to get reaaaly nasty.

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Not really. We've been having good, productive discussion for a while now. Understanding each other's view points and reason behind opinion is pretty much the key here. There's a little sidetracking, but it always gets back on point.

If more people would come out and say why they believe things shouldn't be changed, instead of just straight up calling people "lazy" or something else for suggesting it, we can get somewhere.

We won't though because people's thick skulls and stubbornness is starting to come out. Also until you resub we all know that you wouldn't be able to continue to post here. Thus you have been breaking the ToS.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

We won't though because people's thick skulls and stubbornness is starting to come out. Also until you resub we all know that you wouldn't be able to continue to post here. Thus you have been breaking the ToS.

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No, that's the design of this site allowing cookies to remain valid for so long. When his expires, or he takes an action that renews it (like trying to view his profile), he will lose the ability to post to, but not read the forums until he resubs.

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Originally Posted by bungiefanNA

No, that's the design of this site allowing cookies to remain valid for so long. When his expires, or he takes an action that renews it (like trying to view his profile), he will lose the ability to post to, but not read the forums until he resubs.

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Go read the part of the ToS of what you are allowed to have access to if you terminate your sub. You are allowed as long as you are subbed to use anything that you need to sign into using Square ID. He stated clearly that he is no longer subbed to the game. He is just using a loophole at the moment. Again if he doesn't want to be perma baned from the forums he'll have to resub.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

Go read the part of the ToS of what you are allowed to have access to if you terminate your sub. You are allowed as long as you are subbed to use anything that you need to sign into using Square ID. He stated clearly that he is no longer subbed to the game. He is just using a loophole at the moment. Again if he doesn't want to be perma baned from the forums he'll have to resub.

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Yes, I'm sure they enforce that very harshly.

[QUOTE=Ziyyigo-Tipyigo;496710]And sky ended up having terrible participation rates compared to other content because of it. There are reasons why they put the Limbus entrances at the crags and the Dynamis entrances right inside towns. And even then it took forever to get all the participants to show up in a reasonable amount of time.



I invite you to go browse some of the old Vana'diel Censuses and observe what the progress/completion rates for CoP were like before the level caps were removed. Other content, for which sneak and invisible were viable, ended up in a situation where participants expected and required the other participants to bring their own sneak and invisible, just to cut down on the hassles (i.e. time duration) of travel.


't matter how fast one can get some where there will always be people that are lat. Even now with fast travel the same people I used to see show up late all the time still show up late. The real kicker is they also had the sky warp back in the day as well.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

The real kicker is they also had the sky warp back in the day as well.

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Nope. Aside from needing near completion of Chains of Promathia to accomplish, it wasn't added until the same update that introduced Salvage.

This isn't WoW, but SE has turned it into a bad copy of it.

For me, this game is dead, It isn't the game that I fell in love with a decade ago, it's a complete mess of unbalanced content and broken systems and what's more, the game feels smaller and more restrictive for each new one that SE has tacked on.

If I could go back and play 75 cap XI again, I would in a heartbeat, Vana'diel still feels like home to me and every so often I'll hear a song from the OST, or remember epic adventures with friends or tough battles that took us all night to beat... and I'll get the craving to resub, but every time I have I'm cruelly reminded that the game I loved, one of the best I've played no longer really exists.

So, I can relate to the OP despite his newness, I wish he'd have been able to enjoy XI in its prime, not the dead rotting chocobo that remains, the only movement being the result of SE continually kicking the corpse in hopes of tricking us into believing it's signs of life.

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Originally Posted by Demonviper

This isn't WoW, but SE has turned it into a bad copy of it.

For me, this game is dead, It isn't the game that I fell in love with a decade ago, it's a complete mess of unbalanced content and broken systems and what's more, the game feels smaller and more restrictive for each new one that SE has tacked on.

If I could go back and play 75 cap XI again, I would in a heartbeat, Vana'diel still feels like home to me and every so often I'll hear a song from the OST, or remember epic adventures with friends or tough battles that took us all night to beat... and I'll get the craving to resub, but every time I have I'm cruelly reminded that the game I loved, one of the best I've played no longer really exists.

So, I can relate to the OP despite his newness, I wish he'd have been able to enjoy XI in its prime, not the dead rotting chocobo that remains, the only movement being the result of SE continually kicking the corpse in hopes of tricking us into believing it's signs of life.

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God I hate players like you with the nostalgia goggles bolted on tight. The game would have died if it stayed at 75 cap. You people have no idea what the hell you want. Go on a private server and play there, they have a few of them now.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

Nope. Aside from needing near completion of Chains of Promathia to accomplish, it wasn't added until the same update that introduced Salvage.

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LOL so you don't consider that back in the day being over 5 years ago, half the life of the game(considering there are many MMOs that never see the 5 year mark that is pretty long time). Still doesn't change the fact if you were in a real endgame LS and not just the entry level sky LSes you had that and people still putzed around till the last min even when they did have warps and were still late.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

LOL so you don't consider that back in the day being over 5 years ago

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When you're talking about a gap of over three years between the introduction of Tu'Lia and the introduction of the "Warrior of the Crystal" teleports, no.

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Originally Posted by Draylo

God I hate players like you with the nostalgia goggles bolted on tight. The game would have died if it stayed at 75 cap. You people have no idea what the hell you want. Go on a private server and play there, they have a few of them now.

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It's fine, I'm not exactly keen on players like you who'll happily gobble up whatever gets put on your plate without complaint regardless of how god awful it is.

So I guess I'm saying; I don't see us becoming friends.

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Originally Posted by Demonviper

It's fine, I'm not exactly keen on players like you who'll happily gobble up whatever gets put on your plate without complaint regardless of how god awful it is.

So I guess I'm saying; I don't see us becoming friends.

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not to nitpick, but Draylo is right, put your nostalgia glasses down and move on... the game is in a very good spot compared to where it was pre lvl cap raise (pre-abyssea) and after abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Demonviper

This isn't WoW, but SE has turned it into a bad copy of it.

For me, this game is dead, It isn't the game that I fell in love with a decade ago, it's a complete mess of unbalanced content and broken systems and what's more, the game feels smaller and more restrictive for each new one that SE has tacked on.

If I could go back and play 75 cap XI again, I would in a heartbeat, Vana'diel still feels like home to me and every so often I'll hear a song from the OST, or remember epic adventures with friends or tough battles that took us all night to beat... and I'll get the craving to resub, but every time I have I'm cruelly reminded that the game I loved, one of the best I've played no longer really exists.

So, I can relate to the OP despite his newness, I wish he'd have been able to enjoy XI in its prime, not the dead rotting chocobo that remains, the only movement being the result of SE continually kicking the corpse in hopes of tricking us into believing it's signs of life.

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Those days are gone forever. You should just let 'em go.

What makes me laugh is we already farmed our af,dynamis gear se then release a new expansion and the playerbase laps it up that they have to go back to sky and old bcnms to to ilevel gear we already had, im sorry but se should be keeping us in the new zones not going back to do old fights we've already done.

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Originally Posted by Direct

What makes me laugh is we already farmed our af,dynamis gear se then release a new expansion and the playerbase laps it up that they have to go back to sky and old bcnms to to ilevel gear we already had, im sorry but se should be keeping us in the new zones not going back to do old fights we've already done.

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Well Job Points will effectively force us all to the new areas, so there's that. Be careful what you wish for.

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Originally Posted by detlef

Those days are gone forever. You should just let 'em go.

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But can you see him, his brown skin shining in the sun?

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Originally Posted by Direct

What makes me laugh is we already farmed our af,dynamis gear se then release a new expansion and the playerbase laps it up that they have to go back to sky and old bcnms to to ilevel gear we already had, im sorry but se should be keeping us in the new zones not going back to do old fights we've already done.

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Guess you missed all the threads where people were asking that old areas by made relevant again because the majority were sitting empty during/after abyssea. "I really miss how pretty such and such a zone was, it's sad that there's no reason to go there anymore...make people want to go there again!"

I don't envy Camate and the other reps one bit. No matter what SE does, there's always going to be some jackhole complaining..even when they're just doing what people ask them to do.

I know it must suck for them. They create such a masterpiece to have these armchair developer obese meatheads come in and complaining 24/7.

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Originally Posted by Draylo

I know it must suck for them. They create such a masterpiece to have these armchair developer obese meatheads come in and complaining 24/7.

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Between one who complains endlessly and one who praises endlessly neither one deserve any true amount of respect nor credibility.

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

Guess you missed all the threads where people were asking that old areas by made relevant again because the majority were sitting empty during/after abyssea. "I really miss how pretty such and such a zone was, it's sad that there's no reason to go there anymore...make people want to go there again!"

I don't envy Camate and the other reps one bit. No matter what SE does, there's always going to be some jackhole complaining..even when they're just doing what people ask them to do.

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That's just the nature of humanity. We're not a collective hivemind like the Borg. We're a group of individuals with our own separate and contradictory desires.

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Originally Posted by Direct

What makes me laugh is we already farmed our af,dynamis gear se then release a new expansion and the playerbase laps it up that they have to go back to sky and old bcnms to to ilevel gear we already had, im sorry but se should be keeping us in the new zones not going back to do old fights we've already done.

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That's actually bad game design.
It's called integration. Good games do it, using older content to support new etc.
And integrating new ideas into old content is always good.
Without doing this, games actually DO die.
And further, we wouldn't have half the stuff people prize without it. (Dynamis procs, Thaumas coat, +1 anything... Etc)

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Originally Posted by FaeQueenCory

That's actually bad game design.
It's called integration. Good games do it, using older content to support new etc.
And integrating new ideas into old content is always good.
Without doing this, games actually DO die.
And further, we wouldn't have half the stuff people prize without it. (Dynamis procs, Thaumas coat, +1 anything... Etc)

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No the playerbase are a bunch of mugs who will do the same old crap over and over again, we have already farmed af, dynams gear and now people go crazy just to upgrade the same old crap.

Lets have more new gear with new designs, sure use the old zones sky etc but give us new stuff not the same old crap with new stats that the playerbase fawn over.

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Originally Posted by Direct

No the playerbase are a bunch of mugs who will do the same old crap over and over again, we have already farmed af, dynams gear and now people go crazy just to upgrade the same old crap.

Lets have more new gear with new designs, sure use the old zones sky etc but give us new stuff not the same old crap with new stats that the playerbase fawn over.

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I dont mind for AF Relic and empy upgrades. Those are iconical Job specific equipments, i like their design. HOwever i really DO NOT want to see sky abjuration/gear etc be upgraded... rather see a new event with new drops. Some things should be left to die, because they are too olde. If they really want to upgrade those items too, i rather have them revamp sky/sea etc. with new monsters for ilvl 119 players and have them wipe out the olde drops with new drops that have the same armor model. I am really tired atm haveing to carry around 392302939023 of old gear just because it "might" get upgraded.

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Originally Posted by Direct

No the playerbase are a bunch of mugs who will do the same old crap over and over again, we have already farmed af, dynams gear and now people go crazy just to upgrade the same old crap.

Lets have more new gear with new designs, sure use the old zones sky etc but give us new stuff not the same old crap with new stats that the playerbase fawn over.

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See, your post is stupid. The reforged gear is new gear. It has a new name, new stats, and is acquired through new content. The only way it is "the same old crap" is because it looks the same. It's purely cosmetic.

At the same time, they are releasing new Delve and Skirmish zones with other equipment paths that look different.