No. PLD can tank just fine when playing with any intelligent, competent players. PLD can hit the hate cap just as well as anyone else can, and as long as other people stay below the hate cap, everything's peachy. It doesn't matter what job you're on, if you can't cap hate, you're screwed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrbeansman
No, not really, they can't. While I can vouch for double victory smite+light being some major kick ass as a die-hard PUP, nuking automaton will always cast the highest spell that it think will land. In most cases, you can't force it to cast a tier 3/4 spell when it thinks a tier V spell will work.Quote:
Pup-just awesome DD. Auto CAN land yellow procs, but it's a matter of luck
Abyssea: Useful jobs and Useless jobs. Your opinions on why.
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04-01-2011, 07:51 AMAlhanelem
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04-01-2011, 07:52 AMAndylynnPLD is far from bad, it takes little to no damage at all with decent gear and atmas, it just fails miserably at keeping hate because DDs can cap theirs faster, resulting in everything they do taking aggro. It doesn't help with refresh a whm can pretty much keep any clown alive on a lower difficulty nm, resulting in anything that can handle it tanking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiarlia
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04-01-2011, 07:57 AMGreatguardianAny intelligent, competent DD is going to hit the hate cap in 1 WS. No dice. Any competent PLD would do the same, but there's no way in hell any good DD should be dropping below the hate cap. Besides, MNK does better tanking than PLD anyways, Counterstance does additional damage to the mob when the MNK has hate, and it takes less damage than PLD with it up. PLD having hate is not a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
If a PLD is using a Defensive atma, they're doing it wrong. If they're idling in defensive gear, they're doing it wrong. Their gear and their atmas should not be affecting the kind of damage they take. A properly geared PLD will take less damage than a WAR, PUP, DRG, or whatever other non-defensive DD out there. A MNK who knows how to flip their JA on will take less damage than a PLD. No job should give a crap how much damage they take anyways unless their mage is complete and utter suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andylynn
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04-01-2011, 08:01 AMFiarliaThis is exactly why PLD is just bad. Damage mitigation is a completely null point, since MP is not an issue and other jobs can either exceed or equal the damage mitigated, albeit in different ways. On top of this, every single other job that "can tank" deals superior damage by a truckload. Why on earth would you bring a job that can mitigate damage in such a fantastic way, when there's option with equal or better mitigation that also bring a lot of damage to the table?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andylynn
The only way a PLD will be able to tank is if the DD's s/he's with are either gimp or they hold back significantly, resulting in even less damage done in the same amount of time and extending the length of fights.
Yes, PLD is bad. Or if saying it that way makes you too sad/angry/angsty, then we can say that PLD isn't bad, but pretty much every other job is far better. -
04-01-2011, 08:37 AMAndylynnDamage mitigation is one of the things that makes MP not an issue. Only dnc and mnk have this option extreme damage mitigation, and only one of them is going to be tanking significant NMs.Quote:
This is exactly why PLD is just bad. Damage mitigation is a completely null point, since MP is not an issue and other jobs can either exceed or equal the damage mitigated, albeit in different ways.
It's not as if PLD is a horrendous DD; vorpal, and in some cases, CDC can offer acceptable damage dealing capability.Quote:
On top of this, every single other job that "can tank" deals superior damage by a truckload.
You make it seem as if every job has this applicable mitigation and thus makes a great tank, but PDT/MDT sets dont instantly make you a pld or mnk.Quote:
Why on earth would you bring a job that can mitigate damage in such a fantastic way, when there's option with equal or better mitigation that also bring a lot of damage to the table?
When on earth do you ever have any DDs sitting there pelting on the NM at the same time as the tank when the fight is significant enough to warrant it? #1 If you are attempting to get !!, you don't want a DD hitting on the NM to begin with #2 if you found the exception to point 1, why would you want a ton of DDs feeding TP to said nm? Not every NM has an applicable red !! then zerg approach.Quote:
The only way a PLD will be able to tank is if the DD's s/he's with are either gimp or they hold back significantly, resulting in even less damage done in the same amount of time and extending the length of fights.
Pld is not as horrible as the community makes it seem. It has it rough, and we will approach a day where Abyssea isn't everything to FFXI, what will we do when the 'amazing' DDs go back to without atmas, and a brainless whm w/ cure 6 + infinite MP? -
04-01-2011, 08:44 AMMrbeansmanDo you even know what PDT and MDT sets are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andylynn
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04-01-2011, 08:54 AMAndylynnSomething a really good pld can cap in one piece of gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrbeansman
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04-01-2011, 09:04 AMsvengalisHaha I knew I was leaving one out. How could I forget war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greatguardian
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04-01-2011, 09:13 AMRambus
have you really seen PLD in abyssea?
for exp, too much
for NM farming, once, and that pt end up whiping.
I do not understand what kind of leg you are trying to stand on saying PLD is fine.
one piece of gear to cap both? uh .. yeah
anyways if a PLD had emp sword and shield i give it a chance, that be the only way though -
04-01-2011, 09:16 AMMezzopiano
Quite plainly, since when do you ever need any sort of job specifics for Abyssea? Everything in there is either too easy to bother with strategy, or can be brewed.