TH Procing

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Camate answered this and we quoted it already. Please, stop trying to imagine modifiers that don't exist unless you can provide evidence that they do exist. The dev response indriectly stated the only thing that modifies TH proc chance is not having enough TH.

Even the chart that you created, which doesn't include this as a factor, basically illustrates that. (Very useful chart btw)

As I said before, I'll be the first to agree with you that SE often has... unconventional methods for doing things, but if the devs say "this is how it works" its reasonable to assume that's how it works, unless evidence to the contrary is presented.

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Your assertion about the Base TH Rate X is correct. However, I keep explaining your misunderstanding and it's not getting through. We know the Base TH rate X decays, but we do not know if it is linear, constant or otherwise modifiable or preventable. (It was also suggested on FFXIAH that TH procs occur on the mainhand only, but may occur on offhand double attacks or offhand critical hits (either by accident/bug or on purpose)

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We know the Base TH rate X decays, but we do not know if it is linear, constant or otherwise modifiable or preventable.

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Sure, but what's that got to do with critical hits? Nothing. It's just a theory someone threw out there. You need to test for it. Even if it's not linear, you should be able to prove its existence.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Sure, but what's that got to do with critical hits? Nothing. It's just a theory someone threw out there. You need to test for it. Even if it's not linear, you should be able to prove its existence.

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He keeps trying to explain to you that it would be extremely time-consuming, nearly impossible, to test the rate of the decay for TH without understanding which variables need to be isolated. Until you understand this, you are wasting everyone's time with your incessantly empty replies.

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He keeps trying to explain to you that it would be extremely time-consuming, nearly impossible,

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We're not talking about rate of decay here. We're talking about whether or not crit rate affects TH procs. Read Gwydion's original post:

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Originally Posted by Gwydion

1.) Does critical hit rate probably an increased opportunity for TH procs, when compared to normal auto-attacks?
2.) For each TH proc that occurs, will increasing the amount of TH in gear by 1 improve the chance of the next TH-proc to occur?
3.) Expanding on question #2: If I increase my TH in gear by 1 for every TH proc, I am maintaining the "gap" you describe above, so let's say: If I wear TH+5 and proc TH9, then I increase my gear to TH6: Can you tell us what improvement to the probability of TH10 proc occurs here? If the answer is none, we can stay in TH5 gear throughout the fight. If the answer is a very small probability increase, such as from 1% to 1.1% chance of that TH10 proc occurring, I think we deserve to know so we can play and swap gear accordingly.

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Where is decay mentioned here?
Also, you say it would be time consuming to test. Any good sample size would be (though it would go faster if people worked together). But you know, sooner you start, sooner you finish. If it's really that important to you, you'd do what it takes to find out, I would think.

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Until you understand this, you are wasting everyone's time with your incessantly empty replies.

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Sir, it is you who doesn't understand, and I am as entitled to partcipate in this discussion as you are and will not be suppressed. Do us all a favor too: Please don't represent anyone other than yourself. I'm speaking to Gwydion, and if he wants to he can respond, but you can not act on his behalf.

What I admittedly *don't* understand is why this is even being debated in the first place. How does this information help anyone? Let's just pretend crits are confirmed to affect TH procs, even though Camate basically already said nothing other than TH affected TH procs. What does this do for you? I don't see how this is even worth optimizing. When is it going to make a difference? I just don't see how this would have a meaningful impact, even if its true.

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Originally Posted by Catmato

What happened to TH+ from gear and traits capping at 8? Are you implying that 8 is only the max initial application and gear beyond +8 actually does increase the proc rate?

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The initial TH debuff you can apply to the enemy caps at 8.

Procing after 8, to then 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 (14 being the total cap of TH a enemy can be applied by a 1,200 job point THF) is "affected" by equipment.

You cannot "raise" the proc rate, as this is a set value.
You *can* however, prevent its decay.

Decay on TH Proc values happen when your current TH value in traits and equipment are lower than that of the enemies current TH debuff value.

As presented perfectly here:

https://i.imgur.com/0z5iy85.png

In other words, you want to be using a total of TH14 value if you wish to proc to 14.

If you wish to proc as high as you can prior to an enemies death, you also want TH14 total.

Anything above TH14 is not helpful, (as 14 is the maximum you can apply, and the "proc rate is set") and anything below 14 is not going to maximize your chances. You can still proc, but your rate will be diminished.

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Originally Posted by Dihlyte

Procing after 8, to then 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 (14 being the total cap of TH a enemy can be applied by a 1,200 job point THF) is "affected" by equipment.

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This thread is the first I've heard of this being true. Is this just common knowledge and I just completely missed it?

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Originally Posted by Catmato

This thread is the first I've heard of this being true. Is this just common knowledge and I just completely missed it?

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It's only affected in the sense that if you don't have enough, you're at a disadvantage. There's no benefit to having more than necessary.

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Originally Posted by Catmato

This thread is the first I've heard of this being true. Is this just common knowledge and I just completely missed it?

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Here is the quote from the deve we're gathering our information from.

The part I snip to includes the specific aspect we're referring.

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Originally Posted by Camate

When the value of Treasure Hunter placed on a monster and the value of the Treasure Hunter on your character are different, this will cause the growth rate to vary.

With that said, if you want to increase the Treasure Hunter value, it is best to utilize equipment that has the Treasure Hunter+ effect. By unequipping Treasure Hunter+ gear, you are essentially creating a gap between the value placed on the monster and your character, which results in an inefficient means for increasing the TH value.

There have been requests to make it so that it's possible to switch out TH+ gear after the TH effect is placed on a monster, but as there is a concern that this would reduce the value of equipment with Treasure Hunter+ and also takes away all the hard work some players have put into maximize their Treasure Hunter.

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Originally Posted by Dihlyte

Here is the quote from the deve we're gathering our information from.

The part I snip to includes the specific aspect we're referring.

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That's the same post I quoted here, but I still can't find any source, be it from the devs themselves or from community testing, stating that equipping TH+ beyond 8 has any effect on the proc rate or anything else.

Ultimately the implication is strong that TH+ is the only influencing factor. Unless evidence to the contrary is presented, I see no reason to believe any other combat statistics play a direct role in TH application.