Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

His point isn't that "Everyone does it", Its that .dat swaps have been in the game since the beginning, In form of Changing how your weapons look, and so on, so banning everyone who used .dat swaps would likely eradicate more than half the player base, especially if we include those who used it just to change weapon/armor looks.

And since editing Dats is cheating, regardless of the reason in your own words, They would need to be banned as well. Since cheating is cheating and there is no middle ground. This is according to your logic.

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Well, since I don't hand out ban's, which I'm sure overjoys you, your only concern is that:

1) S/E can tell the difference between a .dat cheat and a .dat appearance modification
2) S/E is okay with the appearance mod

I'm sure S/E will make the judicious choice.

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

p.s. - I've no need to fear the ban hammer. Do you have a need to for yourself or your friends?

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What you need to be fearing is the possible implications that your jealousy can cause. I'm saying if they banned anyone that has ever cheated as well as their friends, like you seem to want, it would mean for a very fast death of the game (inb4 FFXI is dying bullshit argument).

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

What you need to be fearing is the possible implications that your jealousy can cause. I'm saying if they banned anyone that has ever cheated as well as their friends, like you seem to want, it would mean for a very fast death of the game (inb4 FFXI is dying bullshit argument).

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There is a trick in politics where you take something and try to cast it in the light you wish to, to control the conversation. Most intelligent people see through it, though most people aren't intelligent, as the upcoming presidential election shows. However, constantly trying to change my dislike of cheating into jealousy by stating it over and over, won't make it so. Nice try Mitt (or Obama). Let me know when you stop trying to use that tactic. I'll keep focusing on your tactics until you actually say something that is relevant.

p.s. - Trying to preempt something "(inb4 FFXI is dying bullshit argument)" is another tactic that assumes you can see what is coming and have thus stopped it from occurring.

While I won't comment on your hatred of cheating, your "guilt by association" stance seems a tad... overzealous.

P.S. even banning the friends of cheaters is way too extreme for some one just against cheating, try again.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

i logged in missing half of my Friendslists or LS... I'd probably end up quitting...

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Originally Posted by Nala

P.S. even banning the friends of cheaters is way too extreme for some one just against cheating, try again.

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I never said ban the friends of cheaters. I did however say if you feel the need to leave because your cheating friends got booted, then so be it.

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

...3) If the friends of people who get the hammer feel the need to leave, I'll show them the door

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

But, no, it's simply disgust at people who feel the need to circumvent the rules and then try and justify it by saying "hey, everyone's doing it."

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I don't need to justify it, it's a fact that 95% of cheating is not hurting anybody. In fact, you probably wouldn't notice a cheater if you played with one for years, if they didn't mention it. I, on the other hand, used to gear swap like crazy on my PLD and people were always thinking I was using Windower macros or SpellCast, which I wasn't.

Breaking the rules is bad? Why? Why are rules so precious to you? If the rules are ridiculous, breaking them is common sense. What about cheating that doesn't affect gameplay at all? What if someone regrets making a Taru (and let's not kid ourselves, who wouldn't?) and wants to see themselves as a Hume? It's illegal to swap their own character. But how is it affecting anything at all? Not only does it not put anyone else at a disadvantage, it doesn't even give any advantage to their own gameplay. Only to their peace of mind.

Rules are not arbitrary. Rules are supposed to serve a purpose. Following rules for the rules' sake is pointless. Rules should be followed to uphold their purpose, which, in this case, is to maintain game balance. And the balance is not upset by a majority of so-called cheats (not all of them are, actually). Sadly, rules are never perfect. SE likes to prevent people from doing the right thing in the fear of making a bad thing possible, which is, with no exceptions known to me, always the worst possible way to approach an issue. The reason Windower came into existence is that SE feared third party tools and disabled leaving fullscreen mode trying to prevent it. Doing that, they imposed a huge restriction on everyone for the fear of a select few using cheats in an environment which was very competitive at endgame. Endgame, which, was not a concern to a majority of the people, and is even less of an issue now.

I have a question to you, personally. Fittingly, it violates the forum rules. A long time ago in a country far, far away, it used to be the law to report any Jews you could identify (or even suspect) to the authorities. Would you follow them or not?

I know it sounds like a stupid Nazi comparison, but it does serve a purpose as well, because following the rules blindly means you're leaving the judgment of what's right or wrong to them instead of your conscience. And that, good Sir, makes you a dickwad. I believe that's the technical term.

Simply boils down to the fact that he is jealous and can't stand people getting ahead of him through smarter means. A lot of people are like that sadly.

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Originally Posted by Draylo

Simply boils down to the fact that he is jealous and can't stand people getting ahead of him through smarter means. A lot of people are like that sadly.

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Cheating to win is not smarter, simply maneuvering around a stupid system. In either case SE is doing things wrong with this event and people arnt happy, some will cheat to circumvent the problems, others wont.

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

Oops, apparently touched a nerve. And, nope. You can try and recast my disgust at cheating, guessing either yours and/or your friends' or shells', as jealousy. But, no, it's simply disgust at people who feel the need to circumvent the rules and then try and justify it by saying "hey, everyone's doing it."

Oh, hang on...nope still just disgust.

p.s. - I've no need to fear the ban hammer. Do you have a need to for yourself or your friends?

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