Avesta Bangles

Well, if you all haven't been following the updates that are coming in. Looks like the legendary JP Red Mage Avesta (known for some of the most difficult solos in the game) is getting an item named after him.

Avesta Bangles Rare Exclusive
Hands
Magic Accuracy+6
Enfeebling magic skill +15
Elemental magic skill +15
Dark magic skill +15
Lv88 MNK WHM BLM RDM THF DRK BRD RNG SMN BLU COR PUP DNC SCH

Seriously, that is a huge honor to have something named after you. I'd love to get my hands on these one day. =D

Where did you hear this?

I wonder if Avesta still plays, well awesome if he does and he gets to equip them lol What an honour for one of the legends of FFXI. *inb4 "he isn't that great I can solo despot too"

He isn't that great, i can solo despot, and everything else he has in 1/3 the time he takes.

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He isn't that great, i can solo despot, and everything else he has in 1/3 the time he takes.

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Everything is easy once someone else has done it and shown others it's possible, even the devs see that and have made an item to honour him. Won't ever see any items named after you.

It's easy to copy or improve on something, being the first is where the status is. e.g. first shell to beat AV legit > shell that killed it quicker/better.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

*inb4 "he isn't that great I can solo despot too"

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Originally Posted by rog

He isn't that great, i can solo despot,

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Originally Posted by Runespider

stuff

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gonna hazard a guess and say you failed at reading a joke rune....

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Everything is easy once someone else has done it and shown others it's possible, even the devs see that and have made an item to honour him. Won't ever see any items named after you.

It's easy to copy or improve on something, being the first is where the status is. e.g. first shell to beat AV legit > shell that killed it quicker/better.

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Sorry but the only significant difference between almost all nms is the name. Applying a strategy that has been used since day one on a new mob does not count for anything.

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Originally Posted by Romanova

gonna hazard a guess and say you failed at reading a joke rune....

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Second half of the sentence was serious.

I mean, he is definitely good, and props to him for showing people what rdm is capable of, but he was never an amazing soloist. Great? Yes. Legendary? Hardly.

I doubt SE named a piece of gear after Avesta. You should google Avesta sometime. It's much more likely it involves real world stuffs. Also consider what the chances are that SE even knows or cares who Avesta is.

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Sorry but the only significant difference between almost all nms is the name. Applying a strategy that has been used since day one on a new mob does not count for anything.

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Having an awesome piece of gear every good rdm would want to try to own named after him says different. In a game steeped in status, this is the ultimate.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Having an awesome piece of gear every good rdm would want to try to own named after him says different. In a game steeped in status, this is the ultimate.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avesta ?

Also, being well recognized, and thought to be amazing does not actually make him amazing.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

I mean, he is definitely good, and props to him for showing people what rdm is capable of, but he was never an amazing soloist. Great? Yes. Legendary? Hardly.

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I would say that's matter of opinion, except I want to point out that legendary just means famous. Trying to say he wasn't famous among the ffxi community is incorrect.

You are correct that he wasn't doing things others didn't or couldn't do, but he did show a lot of rdms on how to do it, and is famous aka legendary for that.

Data mining has just revealed another item


Rog Bangles Rare Exclusive
Hands
Bitterness +6
Envy +15
Jealousy +15
Inferiority Complex +15
Lv88 MNK WHM BLM RDM THF DRK BRD RNG SMN BLU COR PUP DNC SCH


Keep on keeping on Rog...

;-)

I got a kick outta this one.

Btw this information is shown in .DAT mining threads particularly on BG.

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Originally Posted by JTF

Data mining has just revealed another item


Rog Bangles Rare Exclusive
Hands
Bitterness +6
Envy +15
Jealousy +15
Inferiority Complex +15
Lv88 MNK WHM BLM RDM THF DRK BRD RNG SMN BLU COR PUP DNC SCH


Keep on keeping on Rog...

;-)

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Should have been rdm, blm, brd, rng, nin, war, drk, rng, smn, cor to go with the jobs i have leveled.

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Originally Posted by rog

Second half of the sentence was serious.

I mean, he is definitely good, and props to him for showing people what rdm is capable of, but he was never an amazing soloist. Great? Yes. Legendary? Hardly.

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He's still better than scrubs that use cheat tools to enhance their movement speed, teleport around and look though walls and then brag about how good they are at soloing. I'd love to see how those "awesome" soloers would do without their cheating. If you cheat you aren't good, you're just a cheater.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

He's still better than scrubs that use cheat tools to enhance their movement speed, teleport around and look though walls and then brag about how good they are at soloing. I'd love to see how those "awesome" soloers would do without their cheating. If you cheat you aren't good, you're just a cheater.

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It is possible to be both a cheater, and good. Just sayin'. Especially if they do not use those kinds of cheats while soloing.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

He's still better than scrubs that use cheat tools to enhance their movement speed, teleport around and look though walls and then brag about how good they are at soloing. I'd love to see how those "awesome" soloers would do without their cheating. If you cheat you aren't good, you're just a cheater.

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Hear hear!

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Originally Posted by rog

It is possible to be both a cheater, and good. Just sayin'. Especially if they do not use those kinds of cheats while soloing.

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If you cheat, how good you might have been before you cheated stops mattering. There's a reason olympic athletes that are caught taking performance-enhancing drugs get their medals stripped and are barred from competing. There's a reason it doesn't matter WHEN they actually took those performance-enhancing drugs. You understand that, right?

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Originally Posted by rog

It is possible to be both a cheater, and good. Just sayin'. Especially if they do not use those kinds of cheats while soloing.

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I mean like this guy for example. He's using cheats to look though walls and teleporting around.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4...3a1ee1ab0c.jpg

That totally invalidates any bragging rights he might have.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

I mean like this guy for example. He's using cheats to look though walls and teleporting around.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4...3a1ee1ab0c.jpg

That totally invalidates any bragging rights he might have.

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Wow, what a horrible person!

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Originally Posted by Volkai

There's a reason olympic athletes that are caught taking performance-enhancing drugs get their medals stripped and are barred from competing. There's a reason it doesn't matter WHEN they actually took those performance-enhancing drugs. You understand that, right?

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It's Rog, he doesn't.

i like where this is going

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Originally Posted by rog

Wow, what a horrible person!

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We both know that's you, from this thread.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...20552308325708

Me? I would never do such horrible things. Do not be ridiculous.

Diabolos Spiders Is Not A Meme.

Bitterness? Equippable by SMN? Finally an armor with a related stat.

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Originally Posted by rog

Wow, what a horrible person!

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No kidding. I mean, look at that! Comic Sans, the monster!

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It might be nice having an item named after yourself (or not), but they're not that great. Maybe if they were around when the cap was still 75...

as ROG pointed out Avestan's were an ancient people who were similar to bards and mages who used songs and rituals of purification and songs. The similarity in name does not mean it was intended to celebrate a players uberness in game. SE would do something like make some chocobo hat or something for him if they did that as u know how that works.

Just look at how many players names out there are similar to gear or items nice concept but SE would made a lot more of a fuss if someone was that good .

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Originally Posted by Fetus

but they're not that great. Maybe if they were around when the cap was still 75...

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You may want to take another look at the stats.

Successfully solo'ed a few game monsters does not make you a hero...

Come on seriously???? To honor 1 individual? What he/she done for the game or the players?

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Originally Posted by Sama

Come on seriously???? To honor 1 individual? What he/she done for the game or the players?

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More than you think, less than others think.

I'm with rog on this one. A lot of what he did was great and pretty ground breaking, but if you actually gave some of it a go at 75 it wasn't as impossible as a lot of people thought.

Not that I don't respect him, I do. He's sort of like Final Fantasy 7. It was a good game no doubt, but people need to stop thinking it's the best in the world.

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but if you actually gave some of it a go at 75 it wasn't as impossible as a lot of people thought.

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The point was, nobody knew or even attempted it before he showed everyone it was possible. He pretty much single handedly created the solo RDM fad.

RDMs were soloing things before and at the same time he was just he posted vids of it. Whats more impressive is the mnk that soloed genbu. Not that genbu was hard but for a mnk to do it was pretty cool slow as hell though lol.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

The point was, nobody knew or even attempted it before he showed everyone it was possible. He pretty much single handedly created the solo RDM fad.

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Avesta had youtube fame, and "JP fame" among the NA playerbase. That doesn't mean other people weren't doing the same stuff at the same time, nor that he "created" anything. I suppose it's possible he made a bunch of NA players think they could solo if they leveled RDM, but it's not like he influenced the real soloists much at all. If anything, most, like Rog, became a bit embittered because people tended to sing Avesta's praises despite the fact that they could do all of the same things, and were often told that they were "just copying Avesta".

Fact of the matter is, Avesta is just one of many good Red Mages. Plenty of other people have done everything he's done, at the same time or before, he's just the one who got e-famous for it. That said, the bangles are almost certainly named after something else entirely.

Avesta is the best soloer ever and all he people claiming he isn't that great are doing the same thing than him but it only took them 7 years to do so... You soloed despot so what ? He did all Gods and the final Zilart mission. He soloed the Halvung bomb NM when most people still didn't know their way inside halvung.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Avesta is the best soloer ever and all he people claiming he isn't that great are doing the same thing than him but it only took them 7 years to do so... You soloed despot so what ? He did all Gods and the final Zilart mission. He soloed the Halvung bomb NM when most people still didn't know their way inside halvung.

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Avesta is great and I believe most other players are the same.

The time Avesta solo'ed those mobs, the rage system wasn't even introduced. I bet there were 394852948 RDM/NIN solo'ed lots NM back then and they just don't care to make a video.

Soon SE realized the 'glitch' they added the rage system and boom Avesta the video poster became the legend. Does that sound fair to the other great rdms lol?

I'm not a solo kind of person and I am not here to argue who's better and what item should be name after certain individual; SE wants to do it they will and already did nothing can be undone. It just doesn't sound fair for the other great players if SE's intended is to 'award' or even 'honor' someone.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Avesta had youtube fame, and "JP fame" among the NA playerbase. That doesn't mean other people weren't doing the same stuff at the same time, nor that he "created" anything. I suppose it's possible he made a bunch of NA players think they could solo if they leveled RDM, but it's not like he influenced the real soloists much at all. If anything, most, like Rog, became a bit embittered because people tended to sing Avesta's praises despite the fact that they could do all of the same things, and were often told that they were "just copying Avesta".

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It is especially funny because avesta just copied strategies that were used since the time the first rdm reached level 9. Avesta was not the first, nor the best. He was simply the first to record all of his solos, and gain recognition.

I came up with exactly the same strategies avesta used on my own at level 50, back in 2004, without ever seeing a single rdm/nin before that, let alone any real soloing done. The difference between me and avesta at the time was that he was level 75 with all the best gear, and i was a casual at level 50, who ended up putting rdm off for 3 years. We were using exactly the same strategies to do exactly the same things, just on different mobs.