New Zone - The exchange

As I troll through the hundreds of bazaars in lower jueno and port jueno and on the AH website, where i have to do /sea all, to see if they're online and send tells and hope they speak my language, I am reminded of a free to play game called rappelz. There existed in this game a 'shop zone' specifically designed for what we consider bazaaring. Your character, sitting all night/day, trying to sell something. Puts everyone trying to sell something in the same place.

New zone proposal, like the mog garden, can be reached from the mog house. You can go to the "Exchange" where all characters can go to buy things that are un-auctionable, and where players can put themselves for the sole reason of selling their wares. Then you don't have to hunt for people all over the world. I can be a leafallia sized area or something, doesn't have to be fancy.

Alternatively SE could give us a search feature for bazaars where players can search all bazaars in the world through a simple search feature on a chalkboard or whatever. I wouldn't involve prices because you may as well go the AH route and there's good reason not to do either one with prices attached because it invites active(a non AFK person who adjust prices on the go to combat undercutting which in turn creates price wars) undercutting, so just a search feature that can inform you of where the items are located in who's bazaar and where they are at would suffice. Just whatever so you're not running around for a hour. If FFXIAH can do it to an extent, I'm sure FFXI can do it... just might require a performance sacrifice somewhere.

Alternatively, they can stop dicking around with "bazaar only" items, and let us put everything up on the auction house. There's no reason for the limitations unless they use a specific server to run the AH, and they are afraid too many items available would crash it. If that's the case though, maybe add another server? Or tweak the way it searches... not sure of the answer, but it's asinine to me that we can sell something directly to another player but can't list on the AH.

There could be the Auction house as it is, and a new server for the currently non-AHible things; Black Market

The Black Market would only be accessible via Tenshodo HQ, norg, and maybe the mummers place in SoA.

New Market, New server, separate from the AH & its Server.


if there ever was such a service I think it would also be good to have it as a cross realm service. I mean why not make it so that we can sell these items across servers. I'm sure there is an argument about RMT in there somewhere. . . but honestly ... ... no one cares. We (the players) what the items we want, and I don't see a problem if it is not available on our server (or there is not enough available) that we couldn't use an AH like market and buy it from a different server that has one posted. :-3

RUNESCAPE!!!!

....Or add a marketplace with *gasp* retainers.

If you haven't played FF14, that is what they have there instead of an Auction House. There's pros and cons to it, but the functionality is actually a lot more like a searchable bazaar system with NPCs you can hire to essentially afk all day for you. The main difference between the market and auction house is that the prices are fixed, and you can put stacks up in any quantity you want– also similar to how bazaars work.

But like the auction house, you don't have to manually examine every character, you can search by category. An anonymizer type feature is that it shows the retainers name as the seller, not the player's character. This might also help alleviate more storage issues.

I could see the level of effort of implementing this in XI being pretty high, and the server stress by introducing a marketplace in addition to the auction house being a legit concern, but it would be nice.

my vote would be for a zone that is a big box ware people can stand and bazaar there goods

but i would make it ware when thay leave the zone thay go back the the original zone thay came from

make the zone have no taxes and make all other zones have high taxes this will get rid of all the standing bazaars in normal zones

At this point I think making non-vendible items available for sale on the AH is best; remember we still have a heavy burden that follows us where ever we may go; its name is PS2.

If people used their seacom when they AFK bazaar it would easier to find them, I`m not sure why nobody does this. If you want your items to sell at least let potential buyers know your position in a zone

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Originally Posted by Calatilla

If people used their seacom when they AFK bazaar it would easier to find them, I`m not sure why nobody does this. If you want your items to sell at least let potential buyers know your position in a zone

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Or the player could just....you know.... Use /check and it'll automatically lock onto the person if they are within 50 yards. If not, just look around. If you want to buy something, look for the person. If it's in a town, that's like 30 seconds of running and /check'ing every so often until you find them.

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Originally Posted by Mizuno

Or the player could just....you know.... Use /check and it'll automatically lock onto the person if they are within 50 yards. If not, just look around. If you want to buy something, look for the person. If it's in a town, that's like 30 seconds of running and /check'ing every so often until you find them.

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Like to see you cover western/eastern adoulin in 30 seconds lol. Point is, the option is there to let your position be known but very few use it.

Hello,

The development team does not currently have anything planned when it comes to bazaar-specific areas or making it possible to sell items on the auction house that can only be bazaared, but I let them know your feedback.

could always add taxes back in to bazzar's in the city's so people go back out in to rolanberry and bazzar out there

This thread is pointless, they have one of these unofficial bazaar zones on every server.

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Originally Posted by Draylo

This thread is pointless, they have one of these unofficial bazaar zones on every server.

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I think the thread is a useful to the point that we need a way to sell those things that are currently "only bazaarible" hence my comment about a black market like AH where you can sell all things that can be sold that you cannot already put on the AH. .-. a whole zone yea maybe too much. But a hand full of NPCs that link to their own "ah" server that would be helpful for those who can't leave their character online for whatever reason (example I live in rural Alaska, we still have Data capped internet at 25 Gigs a month, and it costs $9 every gig over that, so leaving an online game on for me is not really an option unless I want to end up spending even more money).

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Originally Posted by Ryanx

could always add taxes back in to bazzar's in the city's so people go back out in to rolanberry and bazzar out there

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What use would that be to anybody?

Hands down is Chocobo circuit.

All level 1 characters can go there, no need to get escorted to Jeuno its practically vacant due to lack of chocobo racing/rearing. Its tied to all cities including Aht Urghan. If they abolished taxes there and added the ability to see yells... Bazaar heaven. And it could potentially alleviate stress on the servers.

Move the chocobo racing NPC's in the grand circuit and add a AH to the main zone.

One stop shop.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

What use would that be to anybody?

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stop people from bazzaring in town to reduce lag when in town

Ten years playing this game on 2 different ps2, 3 different 360s, 7 different pcs and laptops from probably 100 different places and I have yet to see lag in a city bad enough to make me wish they would do something about it.

The only thing I'd change is the ability to set a bazaar flag on your search comment that allowed people to browse your ware list from the search window. with or without prices and/or inventory numbers.

Alternatively they could add a chat command that allowed people to use something like <bazzarlist> to automatically load their Bazaar items list to their search comment. Because while I personally list the items I'm selling in my comments when I bazaar most people do not.

I still don't understand why people don't do it, since I've consistently sold out on items way before my competition (who are right next to me) even when I have higher prices simply because I list what I'm selling in my search comment. And I also buy far more often from people listing what they sell on their search comment than from people hoping I can find them by checking everyone in the zone.

/shrug

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Originally Posted by Raydeus

The only thing I'd change is the ability to set a bazaar flag on your search comment that allowed people to browse your ware list from the search window. with or without prices and/or inventory numbers.

Alternatively they could add a chat command that allowed people to use something like <bazzarlist> to automatically load their Bazaar items list to their search comment. Because while I personally list the items I'm selling in my comments when I bazaar most people do not.

I still don't understand why people don't do it, since I've consistently sold out on items way before my competition (who are right next to me) even when I have higher prices simply because I list what I'm selling in my search comment. And I also buy far more often from people listing what they sell on their search comment than from people hoping I can find them by checking everyone in the zone.

/shrug

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I don't know. I usually just find the best bazaar price on FFXIAH and then go to the zone (usually jeuno or adoulin) and run around spamming "/check <name>". Seems a lot easier than reading everyone's comments.

They could just Link the players inventory to the Action House in a way of a new option; Lets say Jack's inventory is 80/80 and has 10 items up for sale in his Bazaar. Now Jack is moving around a lot, isn't stationed someplace where others could check/buy from his Bazaar. Well all Jack needs to do is go to the Action House and select; Show my wares after he set them in his said Bazaar. Now Jack's Bazaar would show up under "Bazaars" in alphabetical or whatever order SE and or the players would like.


edit: Reason I'd suggested to link w/ inventory is because Bazaar(s) are already base on our inventory, I'm also feeling if it wasn't there would be a space issue.

FFXI's methods of trade are really awful and old, they need to do something about it, but not quite this.

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Originally Posted by Mizuno

RUNESCAPE!!!!

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That's exactly what I thought when I read this.

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Originally Posted by Halldir

Hands down is Chocobo circuit.

All level 1 characters can go there, no need to get escorted to Jeuno its practically vacant due to lack of chocobo racing/rearing. Its tied to all cities including Aht Urghan. If they abolished taxes there and added the ability to see yells... Bazaar heaven. And it could potentially alleviate stress on the servers.

Move the chocobo racing NPC's in the grand circuit and add a AH to the main zone.

One stop shop.

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There's one small problem with this. It requires Treasures of Aht Urhgan to be installed and registered. While I'm sure the vast majority of people meet this requirement, a player who has an account just for bazaaring may not have bought it.

If they'd change that requirement, add your suggestions of an AH, add a nomad and porter moogle and an entrance in Adoulin, it would be the bazaar heaven.

Easy peasy, they can modify the properties so that Chocobo Circuit inner is part of an basic install when a update is done. Put all chocobo related NPCs in the grandstand. There is a lower level below the main concourse of the Grandstand. Put racing related NPC's there.

The Chocobo Circuit has enough portals etc to put a another entrance to Adoulin. There is a boat load of counters. I mean they even put Synergy Furnaces there too. Why not a porter/nomad moogle?

Just a few thoughts.

Just noticed that they added yells to Chocobo Circuit. No Taxes there either. Noticed there is Abyssea NPCs there too. Just need AH Counter and an Adoulin entrance like the other connectors.

Way to get people to Bazaar there, reinstate all taxes except for Chocobo Circuit. Now you have one place easier to sell/move/AH your stuff.

I think reinstating tax is a bad idea, sometimes I'll be gearing up in adoulin and someone will check and buy something. I don't want that to be gone.

I wouldn't mind at least some ability to search where items are, ala ffxiah. Probably not very feasible, though.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

What use would that be to anybody?

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a lot, the lag in whichever zone people have decided is the bazaaring spot is really horrendous. even if you are there to shop waiting for the afk to appear takes a LONG time and these are in areas generally where people need to do things, like hit up the AH, a vendor, the RoE guy, whatever. Also, making people step back out into Batallia or wherever means the bazaar shouts will disappear and we can get to see the content shouts we are actually interested in. I know people feel the need to advertise, but frankly if they don't know to look on FFXIAH for what they are interested in and find who is on and bazaaring then quite frankly they deserve to have to run around and check manually. on Ragnarock it has even gotten hard to dump your crests as finding Shami in all the AFK is a chore.

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Originally Posted by Balloon

I think reinstating tax is a bad idea, sometimes I'll be gearing up in adoulin and someone will check and buy something. I don't want that to be gone.

I wouldn't mind at least some ability to search where items are, ala ffxiah. Probably not very feasible, though.

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Only way to make to not a AFK Lag fest is to make a dis-incentive to just doing the same. If you leave it as is. People are going to continue to AFK in useful zones like P.Jeuno because they can, they don't care and there is no reason to do different.

This is the direction I can kinda see a few folks attempting to go with this thread into having more folks wanting to logging off knowing there items will still sell while offline even after initial log-off into closing the game for the night, week, or even whole month/months.

The idea on the black market auction house into being like the auction house with the ability to sell more items that could be sold at once compared to the lame one page of 7 items on the Ah when all our own spaces have been enhanced/increased while the auction house still hasn't done it ever in all the years of playing FFXI, well I mean if it were to be done in the right way then countless folks could feel the need to put all of there items into one place to sell and even more comfortable knowing there items will still sell even when they logged offline to do this so we have all our problems answered here in one shot and of course more room on the go to party with to boot when we are online or swapping room of all our gears we would like to swap because of resolving room issues all at the same time.

Now it will be great to hear feed back from this point but actually wouldn't mind hearing what the ffxi community forums team/ffxi dev crew would say about my idea done this way, anyone else?

Edit: By the way I till Loved hearing the idea someone on here had onto being able to sell cross servers stuff on ffxi. I wouldn't mind if that was a bonus feature into getting items sold and resolve/reach the issue of some servers having the items while others don't into selling what we my be looking for without idk a third party way to find it..

They could always just pick a random seldom used zone, add yell support and put a free to use hp there. Maybe rabao or Norg or something.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

They could always just pick a random seldom used zone, add yell support and put a free to use hp there. Maybe rabao or Norg or something.

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Maybe something a little less remote. Upper Jeuno, perhaps?

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

They could always just pick a random seldom used zone, add yell support and put a free to use hp there. Maybe rabao or Norg or something.

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Not trying to harp on you bub but you might of missed a few posts here on some to maybe quite a few players not wanting to see it shouted, /yelled or blasted about items there selling which is up for sale and I don't know about you but i'd only want to know when i'm only searching for it and not all of the time, especially when you're possibly busy doing other stuff in the game or to some folk's if you use that method it will seem like your trying force your wares onto them into buying it but i'm definitely not saying i'm one of those types that do think that way but it's just from my in game experience from folks over the years into it.

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Originally Posted by Catmato

Maybe something a little less remote. Upper Jeuno, perhaps?

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Just kind of a reminder that it can also change what areas are considered remote/less used depending on the server too. ;-)

Also not trying to get on you or down on you too and happy discoveries!! ;-)

Here's my issue with the current system. It forces the player to "AFK" in the game to sell unwanted items that can't be put on auction. With an auction limit of 7 and the amount of valuable and popular items that are bazaar only, this is the reality, which is part of the problem in port/lower Jeuno. It also keeps people logged in when they don't want to be. Why should I have to keep my PC running during the night in order to sell wares in a game? It's stupid, and quite frankly, it's pretty ridiculous that the devs have not done something to correct this problem sooner.

The way they categorize how items can be sold is just so freaking random and stupid that it's beyond comprehension. Here's an example. I was farming some items in Movapolos, and had some Moblin Sheepskins drop. When I got back to Jeuno, I tried to list them on the AH... nope, cant. Tried to NPC them... nope, cant. Checked what use they had... nothing other than crafting items. So I ask you SE.... WHY THE RESTRICTIONS? It makes NO SENSE AT ALL.

Just let us sell every damn thing on the auction house. Or at least, for the love of God, give us a GOOD reason why you have chosen to implement the economy in this way.

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Originally Posted by YosemiteYogorockBlondelle

Not trying to harp on you bub but you might of missed a few posts here on some to maybe quite a few players not wanting to see it shouted, /yelled or blasted about items there selling which is up for sale and I don't know about you but i'd only want to know when i'm only searching for it and not all of the time, especially when you're possibly busy doing other stuff in the game or to some folk's if you use that method it will seem like your trying force your wares onto them into buying it but i'm definitely not saying i'm one of those types that do think that way but it's just from my in game experience from folks over the years into it.

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I'm not even sure what you think you are saying. If you make a zone for bazaar and don't allow /yell support, people who want to advertise wears will do 1 or 2 things.

1) Not use it

2) Shout from some other supported zone

Net gain - zero.

And they have a feature that turns off yells if you don't like them but for some reason feel like you have to read all of them.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I'm not even sure what you think you are saying. If you make a zone for bazaar and don't allow /yell support, people who want to advertise wears will do 1 or 2 things.

1) Not use it

2) Shout from some other supported zone

Net gain - zero.

And they have a feature that turns off yells if you don't like them but for some reason feel like you have to read all of them.

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Well if it's done like an auction house method you can walk right up the building structure click and see whats up onto selling/waiting to be sold without having to do the additional /yell or shout but it could be done in better methods too then a shout feature to display whats going on into being sold but we really have to work on coming up with some logical, scenario player based ideas into making this work for everyone in the game and not just a majority of them.

Yes you could turn shouting off but at the same time you could be missing out on those same shouts for the particular battlefield you wanna join since you may be or may not be one of the players that don't have~(A: an helpful ls into doing stuff, {B; Are solo in this game without an ls or even friends to help out, {c. hmm.. forgotten dang it}.
While I don't mind the bazaar yelling or shouting as much as some players do to the point they will just B-list those that do and say there to annoying which I don't entirely get why they wanna be like that but they do it and you would be permanently on it for small measure of reasons too but yet ridiculous.

Okaaay!! now i'm really getting off topic but more interested in other methods not yet implemented into the game that we all could be presenting the items for sale while not necessarily using whats all ready in the game. I know we have some heavy thinkers who wouldn't take the laid back, relaxed approach into creating something we want to see developed into the game somewhere here on the forums. oh Myself, I don't actually read all of the shouts but then there are those that do it to which I was thinking of and referring to as well

Okay, next persons post will fully be back on topic, well I hope anyways!!

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Originally Posted by YosemiteYogorockBlondelle

Well if it's done like an auction house method you can walk right up the building structure click and see whats up onto selling/waiting to be sold without having to do the additional /yell or shout but it could be done in better methods too then a shout feature to display whats going on into being sold but we really have to work on coming up with some logical, scenario player based ideas into making this work for everyone in the game and not just a majority of them.

Yes you could turn shouting off but at the same time you could be missing out on those same shouts for the particular battlefield you wanna join since you may be or may not be one of the players that don't have~(A: an helpful ls into doing stuff, {B; Are solo in this game without an ls or even friends to help out, {c. hmm.. forgotten dang it}.
While I don't mind the bazaar yelling or shouting as much as some players do to the point they will just B-list those that do and say there to annoying which I don't entirely get why they wanna be like that but they do it and you would be permanently on it for small measure of reasons too but yet ridiculous.

Okaaay!! now i'm really getting off topic but more interested in other methods not yet implemented into the game that we all could be presenting the items for sale while not necessarily using whats all ready in the game. I know we have some heavy thinkers who wouldn't take the laid back, relaxed approach into creating something we want to see developed into the game somewhere here on the forums. oh Myself, I don't actually read all of the shouts but then there are those that do it to which I was thinking of and referring to as well

Okay, next persons post will fully be back on topic, well I hope anyways!!

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I just don't see how ignoring the guy shouting for a relic rng for marjarmi delve is any different from ignoring the guy yelling to sell bynes in PJ. It's all just text that doesn't interest you. It's not like it's in some special color that hurts your eyes when people sell stuff. I mean one guy shouted for a PLD for Marjarmi for 3+ hours tonight. It doesn't really matter to me if he shouts for PLD or if he's selling T.whiteshells because I'm not interested in either.

If you tell that guy that he has to pay taxes or w/e to sell his items in a zone that has yell support, he's just gonna yell in that zone and then go somewhere else to sell them. People used to do it for years in jeuno. Shout and then just trade you to avoid bazaar tax when you respond.

Seriously. Make any zone you want into a /yell free bazaar zone and someone will park a mule in PJ and shout all day anyways.

The exchange zone is a great idea. There's something like it in everquest called the bazaar. Someone mentioned a search function, EQ has that for their bazaars, and its great. Another thing they have that we really need is sort of a reverse bazaar, set up a buyer bazaar where you put what items you're buying, at what price, and at what level of gil you stop buying.
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Originally Posted by Mizuno

Or the player could just....you know.... Use /check and it'll automatically lock onto the person if they are within 50 yards. If not, just look around. If you want to buy something, look for the person. If it's in a town, that's like 30 seconds of running and /check'ing every so often until you find them.

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