Chocobo Dye Experimentation

[AttacKat]

Experiment: Xelphatol Apple

Microfeeding: The Way to Chocobo Color Dyeing

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Guys,

I am working on a new theory (as of 9/5), which I will coin it as "microfeeding" ...

Here is the link to the initial idea draft, and this is the follow up. Please assist on further experiments so we can gather more results and confirm if this works.

THEORY:

• When feeding, the chocobo goes into a new color once we receive the "<chocobo> is beginning to grow new feathers!" acknowledgement.

Hypothesis

• Color is determined by available color within the RGB(8) scale
• Color is picked by first matching hue within the scale, once any hue is within range (0 ~ 40), the other two hues are used to make further selections

Objective: Trying to chart the different colors produced using just the Xelphatol Apple
2nd objective: Try and discover any pattern in RGB value changes.

Procedure:
Fruit(s) will be feed in until system displays the "growing new feather" message then wait out the 6 hrs growth period.

General Information
Using the old data from the previous thread, we may be able to derive some pattern based on the O'Ghomoro Berries

Color : R : G : B : R Δ : G Δ : B Δ : Fruit
Ul Brown 178 157 105 38 18 -25 4
Gobbiebag Brown 180 158 130 36 17 -50 6
Shale Brown 140 122 101 76 53 -21 11
Lilac Purple 124 98 98 92 77 -18 11
Goobbue Grey 130 128 125 86 47 -45 12
Sky Blue 124 171 207 92 4 -127 13
Lavender Blue 128 120 169 88 55 -89 15
Plum Purple 114 75 101 102 100 -21 18
Othard Blue 41 81 130 175 94 -50 20
Raptor Blue 84 120 188 132 55 -108 21

Attempting to crack the code ...

RGB Color Reference:

Updated RGB spreadsheet

• Ver 1.0 (08/23) Updated RGB spreadsheet with all the RGB codes in 16 increments.
• Ver 2.0 (08/24) Duplicates found due to lack of breakdown, updated RGB spreadsheet in 8 increments.

Results:

• Xelphatol Apple: Desert Yellow -> Millioncore Yellow -> Pumkin Orange -> Sunset Orange -> Blood Red

On going observation:

• 1st Prediction (Blood Red) = true
• Number of fruits seems to increase as you move further away from the standard color. (true for apple)
• Starting to see a proper RGB pattern. First thing we must do is start with a new set of RGB colors, as the current colors are faulty. The pattern I am seeing is all the RGBs are in increments of 8s, therefore, the correct color codes are 00, 07, 15, 23, 31 ... 255, there are NO in between color codes being used.
• Soot Black RGB(47:47:39 (2F2F27h)
• Need to confirm if deep green/blue fruits performs the same way. If it does, the path to Soot Black (272727h) will be feed deepen red, deepen green, deepen blue, repeat until hitting Soot Black
• Started to play around with other people's "one new feather" results, starting to see a pattern where RED is the major determining factor, and then the primary color of the fruit. All the numbers are multiple of 8s,.
• Reset back to Desert Yellow, feeding O'Ghomoro Berry, trying to achieve Royal Blue for own chocobo using 30 berries + 10 apples (per old spreadsheet).
• Berry feeding does not fit with Apples, new feather growth message happens with much less feeding as scale deepens for first five feedings with 4 or less berries each scale.

Further discussion and finding here

[Kuripari]

I've been performing some basic tests. In all cases we fed the respective fruit until the "growing new feathers" message appears and then stopped.

The first set was Berries and Plums. All tests started from Desert Yellow Chocobo's.

Berries:3, Plums:1 -> Ul Brown
Berries:4 -> Ul Brown

Pears and Pineapples
Pears:9, Pineapples:1 -> Cream Yellow
Pears: 10 -> Cream Yellow

Last was Apples and Valfruit
Apples:3 -> (awaiting results)
Apples:3, Valfruit:3 -> Millioncorn Yellow

Based on previous forum posts, and comparing to these results, unless a effect begins to happen at large numbers of messages, I'm beginning to lean towards your chocobo only changing based on the first fruit to give a message. If the final apple test results in millioncorn yellow which I expect it should, then it should pretty much confirm those results.

Next test, is a single fruit, 1 message vs.. say 5? to see how different the impact is.

Forgot to add, all tests were performed in the same stables at the same condition. The results are consistent across chocobo's with a large level gap, so I do not believe level plays a part.

Some additional results, Plums and Berries to a single message resulted in sylph green, consistent with results of just plums to a message. We also had a guildie feed an apple, pineapples to message and then more apples with no message. She got Honey Yellow, consistent with just pineapples.

[Hulan]

One (somewhat costly) experiment that would be extremely useful would be to try "undoing" various changes with the opposite fruit. I would very much like to hear if this is a reproducible phenomenon. The biggest hurdle is the fact that it will take at least two seasons. Starting from a recorded N and N + 1 state, you will need to us the opposite transformation that was used to get to N + 1 and attempt to return it to its N state. It's not scientific, but I believe if we can get at least 5 instances of it working from different colour states, we can say with a fair amount of certainty that the Deepening and Lightening fruit do complete negations.

[ZReport]

My husband's chocobo:
He stops feeding when he first gets the new feather message.

Fed 3 berries, got the new feathers message. Result: UI Brown
Fed 3 berries, got the new feathers message. Result: Aldgoat Brown
Fed 1 berry, got the new feathers message. Result: waiting

Did he start from Desert Yellow? And is the only fruit he's been using is O'Ghomoro Berries?

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I've been performing some basic tests. In all cases we fed the respective fruit until the "growing new feathers" message appears and then stopped.

The first set was Berries and Plums.

Berries:3, Plums:1 -> Ul Brown
Berries:4 -> Ul Brown

Pears and Pineapples
Pears:9, Pineapples:1 -> Cream Yellow
Pears: 10 -> Cream Yellow

Last was Apples and Valfruit
Apples:3 -> (awaiting results)
Apples:3, Valfruit:3 -> Millioncorn Yellow

Based on previous forum posts, and comparing to these results, unless a effect begins to happen at large numbers of messages, I'm beginning to lean towards your chocobo only changing based on the first fruit to give a message. If the final apple test results in millioncorn yellow which I expect it should, then it should pretty much confirm those results.

Next test, is a single fruit, 1 message vs.. say 5? to see how different the impact is.

Forgot to add, all tests were performed in the same stables at the same condition. The results are consistent across chocobo's with a large level gap, so I do not believe level plays a part.

Did you start your tests from Ul Brown or Desert Yellow?

[Sadana]

I encourage everyone to please post the body of the chat box while feeding birds. Either post a screenshot or write the text in it's entirety. It will be a big help. _(._.)_
Posting a vague, "Fed 5 berries, got the message, result is purple" isn't quite as helpful. If you just want to post a general "I used this and here is my bird", please use the other (ginormous) thread.

[ZReport]

I encourage everyone to please post the body of the chat box while feeding birds. Either post a screenshot or write the text in it's entirety. It will be a big help. _(._.)_
Posting a vague, "Fed 5 berries, got the message, result is purple" isn't quite as helpful.

This so much. It's very easy to miss a message, because it can trigger on the very first feeding, leading to a messed up data result.

[Kuripari]

Did you start your tests from Ul Brown or Desert Yellow?

We started our tests from Desert yellow, they were all different chocobo's so we did them all at the same time.

The two Ul Brown chocobo's were fed valfruit to message, 2 and 1 respectively and both turned cork brown.

[Kuripari]

I encourage everyone to please post the body of the chat box while feeding birds. Either post a screenshot or write the text in it's entirety. It will be a big help. _(._.)_
Posting a vague, "Fed 5 berries, got the message, result is purple" isn't quite as helpful. If you just want to post a general "I used this and here is my bird", please use the other (ginormous) thread.

I would if I could, but I've been making guinea pigs of the FC and so I don't have screen shots of everyone's feeding session. But I worked hard to make sure everyone clearly understood what we were after, and fed slowly to make sure we didn't accidentally miss a message.

[Kuripari]

Experiment: Xelphatol Apple
Attempt to crack the code ...

I actually did that earlier with a couple sets of colors. I look at a linear progression, and a geometric progression, and couldn't match a curve that would be valuable. Of course at the time I was looking at individual fruits, not numbers of messages (as that information was not generally available)

However, I'm personally beginning to drift away from the idea that it is a numeric change in RGB values, and instead just a single step progression along a constructed palette of colors. The challenge I am facing, and I think we will face, is constructing the palette that they use.

[Sadana]

Links to entries that include chat log: (at least in some format)
Rose Pink
Snow White Not exactly chat log, but she is clear
Lavender Purple (may be translation error, should be Lav. Blue?) Again, no log, accurate count.
Sylph Green No log, hopefully she meant she stopped upon receiving "feathers" message. eta: Even better, she lists 3 birds that tried the Plums up to the feather message, stopped, and got Sylph Green! Oh, haha, it's Jayne422's (OP) birds. XD
Sylph Green 2 No log, feedings with messages rec'd. Note: Also only one feathers message with plums. XD It's Lavaeh's bird.
Sylph Green 3 Y'all get the idea One 'feathers' with plums = Sylph Green.
Othard Blue Not able to tell how many fruits 'counted'
Othard Blue 2 Again, high number of messages. Not sure how many 'matter'.
Apple Green to Cactaur Green Unfortunately, she did not count messages to get to Apple Green
Coral Pink

NO CHANGE (Desert Yellow) General count Dunno, may be important...


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