WHM: Relic+1 vs AF2

[Sebyos]

So to sum it up, you are either claiming that you should sacrifice 40 healing on Cure I and roughly 70 on Cure II, the go to heal in Coil, for 8 defense and 0.03 cast time or you are simply assuming things without thinking about it in which case you should NOT give such false advice to people on the forums.

Oh if you want to come back and talk about other stat like Mind and Vitality, let's just say that pretty much every informed player will tell you that 1 weapon damage is worth a lot of stat point. Sources vary between 5 to 8 points, but no matter what it is, that +3 damage is worth a lot of stat points.

[Sziadan]

I'm not going to argue that 1 weapon stat (in this case the mind version) isn't worth more than 1 normal mind.
As I said, I can understand some classes going for the Relic+1, but for healers it's just not worth it to go for it first unless you just have to have as high heal as possible. For some people, being able to survive is more important than just casting a cure that is a tiny bit stronger.

I guess you haven't entered Coil yet, but in most cases, more HP and defense is better than a small increase on your healing power. Getting one shotted, or dying by raid damage wont work for your team, healing coil however without the relic+1 is easy (I'm personally on turn 4 right now and still haven't had any trouble healing, second whm we've been going with isn't using relic+1 either). In coil, you'll want to be able to survive the hits.


Speaking of the "pretty much every informed player will tell you that 1 weapon damage is worth a lot of stat point".. I read the thread on reddit as well, the thread was about "should I get relic +1 on my DPS rather than AF2". Most people just figured that the same goes for all classes even though they specifically discussed DPS. Ask those "informed players" where their info comes from, I'm sure they all got it from the same place or via a friend who got it from there.

[Matsume]

In coil, you'll want to be able to survive the hits..

You could just respec into vit, if that was a major concern.

[Sziadan]

You could just respec into vit, if that was a major concern.

Or get AF2 instead of Relic+1, I'm not saying you should get every single AF2 piece instead of relic +1 though.
If you respec into Vit then the relic +1 arguement is invalid anyway since the boost you get from relic +1 is basically the same as having 30 mind.

Either way, I'm 20 mind and 10 vit and since I went for a couple of AF2 pieces (instead of Relic +1) I can survive already.
Im at almost 4k HP (3986) when I go into Coil (vit buff from party), + extra defense from my gear.

[Sebyos]

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Ok, again, everything you said was misinformed while being very easy to verify.

First, I am in Coil and a quick Lodestone search would have confirmed it. I am also on turn 4 and let me tell you something so far, survivability is irrelevant. You shouldn't get hit by anything in Turn 1 except the weak poison pools which you don't even need to heal. You shouldn't get hit by anything but Vacuum Wave in Turn 2 that hits for a weak 300 which is easily healed. Turn 3 is a joke and you shouldn't get hit by anything in turn 4 either.

But anyway, even if some players and you were bad enough to need defence because you somehow get hit by stuff, you have to calculate and verify the gains to make an informed decision.

1000 chars...

[Sziadan]

You shouldn't get hit by anything but Vacuum Wave in Turn 2 that hits for a weak 300 which is easily healed. Turn 3 is a joke and you shouldn't get hit by anything in turn 4 either.

But anyway, even if some players and you were bad enough to need defence because you somehow get hit by stuff, you have to calculate and verify the gains to make an informed decision.

My point was that you shouldn't wipe the raid just because you accidentally get hit.
Obviously if you never ever get hit, you don't need defense. However, if the rest of your party doesn't suck then you don't need to heal 40 more HP per heal either.
So, back to square one huh? Since we're both able to progress in Coil with different gear then it doesn't matter, since Coil is the only real endgame right now.

I prefer to take less damage, you prefer to heal a bit more. Both obviously work.
Not sure how I'm supposed to be misinformed, I've never said that Thyrus +1 doesn't give a higher heal.
All I've said was that I prefer defense over +40 on cure 1 and that not having that +40 isn't pathetic.

Either way, I'm dropping this conversation now since people here apparently aren't open for discussion.


PS: You can edit your posts to get around the 1000 char limit.

[Sebyos]

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I still don't understand why you would pick 8 or less defence and 30 hp over 40 heals on cure I and about 70 on Cure II, but whatever.

Thanks the 1000 chars tip

[Jahaudant]

The +1 weapon will provide a larger boost to your healing potency than any other upgrade available. "Survivability" is completely irrelevant.

Don't listen to any other suggestion. Need proof? Try this.


Edit:

extra defense

[Sziadan]

The +1 weapon will provide a larger boost to your healing potency than any other upgrade available.

No one said it wasn't.

"Survivability" is completely irrelevant.

I'm glad not everyone thinks like you do.

[Jahaudant]

Let me rephrase that because I can see how it might be slightly misleading.

Survivability in terms of considering what piece to upgrade from i70 to i90 is irrelevant.

No one said it wasn't.

I wasn't presenting an argument to anyone except OP. Not sure why you would assume this.