Attention Overgeared DPS in AK

[Amyas]

That's the difference between doing AK in 25 minutes versus doing AK in 40 minutes. Nobody cares if they pull aggro off you, including the healer, because it's just trash and nobody is in any real danger when everything dies in 10 seconds and everyone wants to get through the dungeon fast.

How is it quicker to chaotically burn down three mobs at the same time very slowly with the tank running around trying to reestablish hate rather than just burning em down one at a time almost instantly? These guys had AF+1 DL and relics and couldn't keep the summoners from summoning because of this ><

Hope it was worth it to them for waiting on a new tank and the possible requeueing just for the instance though.

Are you the type of tank who whacks mob 1 until it dies then switches to mob 2 leaving mob 3 untouched or only whacked once?

lol, no. I mark one, flash, +enmity combo on mark, flash or overpower if necessary while tabbing through to check on the parties hate and using +enmity combo accordingly. Are you the type of dd that ignores marks and goes all out on w/e because why not? Hope you like waiting.

If the healer is bad, the dps will watch there threat, but if I as a DPS can tank one trash with little to no risk of death, THANK the DPS for speeding up the run rather than slowing it to let you tank.

That's just it. Its not faster. Its more difficult and takes longer. How is letting the priests summon void wraiths because you want to use aoes and not (focus target) faster? Imo its quicker to burn em down one at a time almost instantly rather than have dds all on different mobs xD

[UMiahNaweh]

How is it quicker to chaotically burn down three mobs at the same time very slowly with the tank running around trying to reestablish hate rather than just burning em down one at a time almost instantly? These guys had AF+1 DL and relics and couldn't keep the summoners from summoning because of this ><
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Idk, maybe they paid for their Titan runs. I'm a Summoner myself, and I usually go to AK with a Bard or a Black Mage. I will AoE the entire group of mobs while focusing on one target at melee range, so if I pull aggro the mob doesn't move. 90% of the time our tank is not concerned with regaining aggro on a mob that I or the other DPS pulls when it has less than 50% because it's going to be dead in 2-3 seconds anyway. I often have aggro on 1 or two of the mobs because of AoE but they're all at 40% health by the time the first one is down usually, so yes it is a lot faster. Every time I do AK like this it's ~25 minutes.

[Livilda]

These guys had AF+1 DL and relics and couldn't keep the summoners from summoning

Void Call is interruptable.

[Youmu]

How is it quicker to chaotically burn down three mobs at the same time very slowly with the tank running around trying to reestablish hate rather than just burning em down one at a time almost instantly? These guys had AF+1 DL and relics and couldn't keep the summoners from summoning because of this ><

Hope it was worth it to them for waiting on a new tank and the possible requeueing just for the instance though.

That's just it. Its not faster. Its more difficult and takes longer. How is letting the priests summon void wraiths because you want to use aoes and not (focus target) faster? Imo its quicker to burn em down one at a time almost instantly rather than have dds all on different mobs xD

Post of the year award goes to....


Let me break this down for you. You can interrupt the summon on trash mobs, and in fact most DPS will expect you to, because thats your job. If DDs are ignoring marks with single target and stealing hate that way, its on them, but as a BLM who pug runs AK all day versus way undergeared tanks (in comparison), I will AOE on 3+ mob pulls with no restraint for agro. Why? Because I know it won't matter if you lose agro - I stay on top the mob pile to prevent movement, and go about my business, and if you know you're place, you'll be thankful I'm doing so because thats shaving 10 minutes off every run. If you think this method actually slows runs down, then you need to stop running with bad DPS who cant efficiently AOE. Get a good BLM or SMN to show you the difference. I get so sick of dbag tanks with attitudes like yours because they're too prideful to accept that they cant hold complete AOE threat vs overgeared DPS, and instead flip their shit and leave. Put aside your stubbornness, and accept that as long as DPS is managing agro well enough not to get overwhelmed, they're doing a good job.

[Balaur]

How is it quicker to chaotically burn down three mobs at the same time very slowly with the tank running around trying to reestablish hate rather than just burning em down one at a time almost instantly? These guys had AF+1 DL and relics and couldn't keep the summoners from summoning because of this ><

I know of what you speak. Fortunately, I only have some DL and Peltast gear, but even I can take the Summoners down fast. I save Steel Peak for them in the packs you need to kill to progress. And despite not having Relic +1 or AF2, I can do this. Last night, our tank was unable to hold aggro against ME on Mark 1. I kept getting Haymaker procs, it was silly. But the mobs went down. Problem is, when tanks can't do that and you get the Vodoriga demons or Hippocerfs tracking over to the Bard or the healer because the tank is unable to keep enmity up while maintaining single target devotion ... then you have tank problems.

As a Marauder, I had to deal with this leveling up in Halatali, where the packs of 3 or 1 4-pack mobs required me to conserve my Flash because of my mana pool. Instead, I tab as I work on my enmity combo, so that not only do I Flash on occasion, but am also actually hitting the targets beyond 1. This makes me feel more sure that the healer is not stealing enmity from me on targets were are not focusing on. You cannot rely on Flash/Provoke.

[dontcare]

How is it quicker to chaotically burn down three mobs at the same time very slowly with the tank running around trying to reestablish hate rather than just burning em down one at a time almost instantly?

Because every class does more AoE damage than single-target?

[Chiruru53]

Hope it was worth it to them for waiting on a new tank and the possible requeueing just for the instance though.



lol, no. I mark one, flash, +enmity combo on mark, flash or overpower if necessary while tabbing through to check on the parties hate and using +enmity combo accordingly. Are you the type of dd that ignores marks and goes all out on w/e because why not? Hope you like waiting.

I, as a healer, would rather wait for a tank that isn't a snobby whiner when he loses aggro on trash mobs.
It makes absolutely no difference to me whether a dps tanks a mob or not. The only one who really should care about it is the healer, he's the one keeping the dps alive, so it directly affects me.

Yes, it was worth the wait, and I am 100% sure a lot of healers besides me would say the same thing.

What everyone should know.

As a tank I don't care if you steal aggro from me. I consider it a fail on my part other than if you attack before I do, then that on you.

If you want me to get the add off of you, you need to run to me not run away from me or in circles lol.

I have this fancy move called cover, you know to stop you from taking damage?

Anyway its a team effort. If your group wants to AoE spam, SAY IT IN CHAT! Atleast then everyone is on the same page.

THIS is my kinda tank I wanna run with.

Also, in the case a Bard happens to pull aggro off of you and begins tanking, if they're worth anything they'd end up taking little to no damage anyways, and would most likely kill their target solo before the other two killed the main target.

Oh lol, get that rage up. I didn't say anything past the initial 'hello', until before I left. You wanna know what the last two things I said were? (Focus target) then about ten seconds later, 'Or not...' *leave duty*

I'm raging? since when? Because I don't have the patience for whiny tanks who spend more time whining about who's tanking what than actually tanking mobs? I couldn't care less if you leave. Don't even begin to think the whole run revolves around you. The only angry, raging one here is you, sir. Also, I never said YOU personally was a snobby whiner, you just ASSUMED I was... but if the shoe fit...

If the dps insists on tanking trash, let them do it. Bust out sword oath to make the run faster, and see how long it takes when people die and have to run back.

No disrespect to you sir, I have ran with tanks who fulltimed Sword oath throughout AK, and I didn't even realise it til after the demon wall. That's how little a difference it really makes, to me anyways. People spend way too much time worrying about minor things. All I care about is the tank holding aggro on a BOSS, and if they can keep it ( and trash) off ME. I don't care if the other DPS tanks.

Nice nitpicking you did thar. Reading is hard for some people I guess :x

Also, all you have done is insult and bash anyone who disagrees with you. Get over yourself.