WAR tanking efficiency theory

[Onisake]

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I disagree. unless you are with a pre-made group of people you trust, you absolutely should stay in defiance.

the extra HP gives you breathing room. if things go south, you can solo a good portion of demon wall. if DW is down to half health, and one gnat is killed, you can solo the remainder of the fight. a war can easily take out the remaining gnat and kill demon wall with self heals.

[Hachiko]

I disagree. unless you are with a pre-made group of people you trust, you absolutely should stay in defiance.

the extra HP gives you breathing room. if things go south, you can solo a good portion of demon wall. if DW is down to half health, and one gnat is killed, you can solo the remainder of the fight. a war can easily take out the remaining gnat and kill demon wall with self heals.

Nope. You should never be in defiance on Demon Wall unless your party members die or get knocked off.

If things go south, then you pop defiance, infuriate, and inner beast and solo the remainder of the fight.

But it's absolutely pointless to be in defiance for the first 2 repels. It's only slightly useful after gnats spawn to make you slightly easier to heal if your dps is bad. You are just slowing down your kill by being in defiance the whole time. Demon Wall wont even do enough damage to break stoneskin from a Scholar before the first repel unless you stand in the liquifies like a derp. It really isn't necessary.

[Ninjiitstu]

All VIT is the only way to go. If you start doing the math, you quickly realize that you get far more EHP out of VIT then you would out of STR or DEX ( Dex is actually higher Mitigation btw ).

That being said, there are a few exceptions. Notably when you do gear comparisons that grant you BOTH STR and DEX. Gryphonskin accessories are probably Best In Slot. Your able to meld 10 Vit onto them, and 12 Parry. So here is a comparrison to Darklight rings:

DL: 10 Vit, 12 Parry, 9 Accuracy
Gryphonskin: 9 STR, 9 Dex, 12 Accuracy, 9 Skillspeed, 10 Vit ( Level 4 + Level 2 ), 12 Parry ( 2x Level 3 ), and 1x Free Materia.
Mythology: 15 Vit, 11 Parry, 16 Accuracy

Even against Mythology, your gaining 9 str, 9 dex, 9 skillspeed, 1 parry, and 1 free materia vs 5 vit 4 accuracy.

[Ondesvin]

Lol, you have to play it fancy. When I get some time to play again, I want to do that on Demon Wall. Just tell the Healer, don't worry about healing, just nuke. Then go and recover all HP during the charge on the 2nd repel. I want to see if it can be taken out before the gnats pop.

if you are in Defiance stance at wall you are doing wrong!

[HiirNoivl]

I remove Defiance on the Demon Wall.

And whenever people start talking about VIT and EHP I just laugh because you you get far more EHP out of Wrath V than you do out of VIT thanks to Crit Self heals and 15% more healing.

[Amas]

You shouldn't even be in Defiance for Demon Wall. You can't tank Demon Wall, he attacks random people with Murder Hole. The only time you really tank anything is the brief seconds the adds are alive for. In fact unless you get extremely unlucky and get Murder Hole'd 4-5 times in a row, Regen + Medica II is sufficient to keep everyone healed until the adds and if you kill the adds fast enough one or two Medicas will get everyone topped back off. WHM cleric stance Stone II is pretty strong and not like it's hard to switch it off should you need an emergency heal.

Kill... the adds?

Waste of time, with or without melees.

Just do the Demon Wall without Defiance until the bees pop, gather the bees, CDs + Overpower spam to keep 'em still, and burn the wall. Whether your DPS have relics or ilvl 55 GC weapons, it's far and away the quickest and easiest way.

[CurlyBruce]

Kill... the adds?

Waste of time, with or without melees.

Just do the Demon Wall without Defiance until the bees pop, gather the bees, CDs + Overpower spam to keep 'em still, and burn the wall. Whether your DPS have relics or ilvl 55 GC weapons, it's far and away the quickest and easiest way.

Or you could spend literally 10 seconds killing the adds and not have to worry about dodging lines and the AoE Paralyze from the adds. Also your healer can go back to nuking with the adds dead and not worry about keeping you alive because the adds hit harder than Demon Wall does.

[Crimess]

All VIT is the only way to go. If you start doing the math, you quickly realize that you get far more EHP out of VIT then you would out of STR or DEX ( Dex is actually higher Mitigation btw ).

Going full VIT for the only extra 400 HP that you get?? No, Thank you. I leave VIT for my PLD, but not for my WAR. That's where also defiance comes into place to put up that HP pool up. I used to be just VIT build but I switched to STR and it has helped me more.

Guess also healers come into play on this not only WAR, but if you don't have a good healer we are just useless.

Let's leave DEX out of this. We should know that DEX is useless to WAR.

I'm far more concern that there is no accesories for WARS.

Either you have STR or VIT with Parry

There should more accesories with skills speed vit and str for wars. I know there is some, but acc is useless.