WAR tanking efficiency theory

[CurlyBruce]

Lol, you have to play it fancy. When I get some time to play again, I want to do that on Demon Wall. Just tell the Healer, don't worry about healing, just nuke. Then go and recover all HP during the charge on the 2nd repel.

You shouldn't even be in Defiance for Demon Wall. You can't tank Demon Wall, he attacks random people with Murder Hole. The only time you really tank anything is the brief seconds the adds are alive for. In fact unless you get extremely unlucky and get Murder Hole'd 4-5 times in a row, Regen + Medica II is sufficient to keep everyone healed until the adds and if you kill the adds fast enough one or two Medicas will get everyone topped back off. WHM cleric stance Stone II is pretty strong and not like it's hard to switch it off should you need an emergency heal.

[Onisake]

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I disagree. unless you are with a pre-made group of people you trust, you absolutely should stay in defiance.

the extra HP gives you breathing room. if things go south, you can solo a good portion of demon wall. if DW is down to half health, and one gnat is killed, you can solo the remainder of the fight. a war can easily take out the remaining gnat and kill demon wall with self heals.

[Hachiko]

I disagree. unless you are with a pre-made group of people you trust, you absolutely should stay in defiance.

the extra HP gives you breathing room. if things go south, you can solo a good portion of demon wall. if DW is down to half health, and one gnat is killed, you can solo the remainder of the fight. a war can easily take out the remaining gnat and kill demon wall with self heals.

Nope. You should never be in defiance on Demon Wall unless your party members die or get knocked off.

If things go south, then you pop defiance, infuriate, and inner beast and solo the remainder of the fight.

But it's absolutely pointless to be in defiance for the first 2 repels. It's only slightly useful after gnats spawn to make you slightly easier to heal if your dps is bad. You are just slowing down your kill by being in defiance the whole time. Demon Wall wont even do enough damage to break stoneskin from a Scholar before the first repel unless you stand in the liquifies like a derp. It really isn't necessary.

[Amas]

You shouldn't even be in Defiance for Demon Wall. You can't tank Demon Wall, he attacks random people with Murder Hole. The only time you really tank anything is the brief seconds the adds are alive for. In fact unless you get extremely unlucky and get Murder Hole'd 4-5 times in a row, Regen + Medica II is sufficient to keep everyone healed until the adds and if you kill the adds fast enough one or two Medicas will get everyone topped back off. WHM cleric stance Stone II is pretty strong and not like it's hard to switch it off should you need an emergency heal.

Kill... the adds?

Waste of time, with or without melees.

Just do the Demon Wall without Defiance until the bees pop, gather the bees, CDs + Overpower spam to keep 'em still, and burn the wall. Whether your DPS have relics or ilvl 55 GC weapons, it's far and away the quickest and easiest way.

[CurlyBruce]

Kill... the adds?

Waste of time, with or without melees.

Just do the Demon Wall without Defiance until the bees pop, gather the bees, CDs + Overpower spam to keep 'em still, and burn the wall. Whether your DPS have relics or ilvl 55 GC weapons, it's far and away the quickest and easiest way.

Or you could spend literally 10 seconds killing the adds and not have to worry about dodging lines and the AoE Paralyze from the adds. Also your healer can go back to nuking with the adds dead and not worry about keeping you alive because the adds hit harder than Demon Wall does.