WAR tanking efficiency theory

[Crimess]

Kenji1134 - Going full VIT wouldn't make sense I'm currently tanking Titan and I know the amount of damage that he does to me, but going full VIT seems only good for PLD as a WAR I would be just a flan with lots of HP to just to keep getting wack by him. I still haven't done Coil.

HiirNoivl build seems more reasonable with the distribution of the stats. Just having DL and AF2 gear with no slots seems really dumb to me to be honest and I feel that WAR don't have a really take on the accessories from the myth and phil store. Probably 2.1 would sort things out with more equipment drop on the other instances and been able to stack them with materia.

[Onisake]

Has anyone tried this?

It's been tried.

You're forgetting something fundamental.

Better gear it intended to make you better. it raises the bar of your potential.

gear does not make you good.

If you need gear to make the class viable: there is something wrong with it.

[Hachiko]

I know by now everyone is blaming the WAR that needs a fix and bashing on YoshiP for stating "people just don't know how to play WAR", but what, if is true?

Think about it, by now everyone thinks that WAR is a Main Tanking class for end game content and that also VIT should be his primary stat of attribution, because STR is useless and is not good for anything else besides an extra 1%~2% parry.

Here is the problem with this theory, and any other goofball theories (i.e. stacking dex). It completely grates against the game's design.


there is something intuitive about pretty much every character. If you look at them they will get an "enhanced STAT" trait at level 6 and 14 or something. For WAR that stat is VIT. For PLD that stat is VIT. For LNC/DRG it's STR. For PGL/MNK it's STR. Etc. Etc.

If WAR was intended to stack strength primarily or that STR would be the WAR's intended strat, this type of thing would only be confusing and serve no real purpose.

Likewise, if WAR were "intended" to stack STR, then we would be able to roll on STR based accessories in dungeons at the least. But we can't. We're relegated to only being able to roll need on the VIT based accessories.

Some STR can help a WAR once they hit a certain HP threshhold, (Ideally over 7k), but it's clearly not designed to be the first place the WAR turns.

You absolutely need over 6500 hp at the very least for titan. If you step into coil you need even more than that.

Even if you were to stack STR/Crit to make your Inner Beasts a more reliable heal, it still doesn't scale as fast as monster damage does, and if you try to make it do so by stacking DPS stats, you will be at a low enough hp pool that you will die in burst from an auto attack crit and special attack.

[HiirNoivl]

Thanks for your kind words!

I want to try to keep up my Wrath V, so Double Inner Beast is saved for Dire Emergencies Only.

Buuuut I guess for Garuda if I was feeling confident in my party, I could do that if I was gonna be all fancy.

Is there a vid of war tanking turn 1? He does wreck.

I've never liked warrior, but for a (LONG) while in 1.0, it was the god tank. It happens. It shouldn't and it sucks, but for most of the game's life span only one tank has been viable.

I don't have a Vid of Caddie.

He hits hardest at the beginning so you need to have the healers helping you a bit. SCHs Fey Illumination, + a constant rotation of defense Cool downs as well as maintaining Wrath V keep my heals out pacing the damage.

Once he splits he doesn't hit nearly as hard.

[Judge_Xero]

Thanks for your kind words!

I want to try to keep up my Wrath V, so Double Inner Beast is saved for Dire Emergencies Only.

Buuuut I guess for Garuda if I was feeling confident in my party, I could do that if I was gonna be all fancy.

Lol, you have to play it fancy. When I get some time to play again, I want to do that on Demon Wall. Just tell the Healer, don't worry about healing, just nuke. Then go and recover all HP during the charge on the 2nd repel. I want to see if it can be taken out before the gnats pop.

[Hachiko]

Lol, you have to play it fancy. When I get some time to play again, I want to do that on Demon Wall. Just tell the Healer, don't worry about healing, just nuke. Then go and recover all HP during the charge on the 2nd repel. I want to see if it can be taken out before the gnats pop.

Pretty easy to take it out before gnats pop. But it has more to do with your HP pools and the DPS of the damage dealers.

You don't even need any heals before the second repel.

[CurlyBruce]

Lol, you have to play it fancy. When I get some time to play again, I want to do that on Demon Wall. Just tell the Healer, don't worry about healing, just nuke. Then go and recover all HP during the charge on the 2nd repel.

You shouldn't even be in Defiance for Demon Wall. You can't tank Demon Wall, he attacks random people with Murder Hole. The only time you really tank anything is the brief seconds the adds are alive for. In fact unless you get extremely unlucky and get Murder Hole'd 4-5 times in a row, Regen + Medica II is sufficient to keep everyone healed until the adds and if you kill the adds fast enough one or two Medicas will get everyone topped back off. WHM cleric stance Stone II is pretty strong and not like it's hard to switch it off should you need an emergency heal.

[Onisake]

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I disagree. unless you are with a pre-made group of people you trust, you absolutely should stay in defiance.

the extra HP gives you breathing room. if things go south, you can solo a good portion of demon wall. if DW is down to half health, and one gnat is killed, you can solo the remainder of the fight. a war can easily take out the remaining gnat and kill demon wall with self heals.

[Hachiko]

I disagree. unless you are with a pre-made group of people you trust, you absolutely should stay in defiance.

the extra HP gives you breathing room. if things go south, you can solo a good portion of demon wall. if DW is down to half health, and one gnat is killed, you can solo the remainder of the fight. a war can easily take out the remaining gnat and kill demon wall with self heals.

Nope. You should never be in defiance on Demon Wall unless your party members die or get knocked off.

If things go south, then you pop defiance, infuriate, and inner beast and solo the remainder of the fight.

But it's absolutely pointless to be in defiance for the first 2 repels. It's only slightly useful after gnats spawn to make you slightly easier to heal if your dps is bad. You are just slowing down your kill by being in defiance the whole time. Demon Wall wont even do enough damage to break stoneskin from a Scholar before the first repel unless you stand in the liquifies like a derp. It really isn't necessary.

[Amas]

You shouldn't even be in Defiance for Demon Wall. You can't tank Demon Wall, he attacks random people with Murder Hole. The only time you really tank anything is the brief seconds the adds are alive for. In fact unless you get extremely unlucky and get Murder Hole'd 4-5 times in a row, Regen + Medica II is sufficient to keep everyone healed until the adds and if you kill the adds fast enough one or two Medicas will get everyone topped back off. WHM cleric stance Stone II is pretty strong and not like it's hard to switch it off should you need an emergency heal.

Kill... the adds?

Waste of time, with or without melees.

Just do the Demon Wall without Defiance until the bees pop, gather the bees, CDs + Overpower spam to keep 'em still, and burn the wall. Whether your DPS have relics or ilvl 55 GC weapons, it's far and away the quickest and easiest way.