BRD: Venom Bite negligible

[elementxstyle]

I was debating whether or not the dot damage from Venomous Bite and Windbite warranted over 6 seconds (of GCD and real time cast) of non optimal direct damage. So I did a couple of Demon Wall parses to test this out. 3 keeping Windbite, and Venomous Bite up the whole time, and 3 just keeping Windbite up (for the River of Blood) proc. This methodology is basically doing Heavy Shot instead of Venomous Bite. The potency is 50 more and TP cost is 20 less. And both times I parsed higher numbers leaving Venomous Bite out of the rotation.

The only way I can make sense of this is that - you're using a lesser TP ability to do more directly damage vs. 100 potency with dot effect. The damage from the Venomous Bite DOT is negligible and it seems Windbite having a higher potency DOT effect is the winner here; keeping a DOT up for River of Blood.

Can any other BRD's provide feedback or test this out? Have any of you tried this?

[Viridiana]

I'm not seeing how this could be the case, barring perhaps a drastic increase in Straighter Shot procs due to increased Heavy Shot use (or just plain luck). Not flat out saying you're wrong, simply that I'm not seeing a mechanism allowing you to be right. I'd love to test it, but I won't have time until tomorrow.

That being said, if it is the case, I'd make one suggestion. At the end of your buffs stage, apply Venom instead of clipping Windbiter. Venom is only 20 less potency, and having a second dot rolling along with all your buffs is probably better than leaving it off or clipping Windbiter.

[Zleepyy]

I have done some math on it myself and it actually seems that you are indeed correct. Leaving venomous bite out of the rotation does end up giving a higher dps, though there is 1 cruicial question that makes it or breaks or this arguement. The important question here is if venomous bite and windbite share the chance of proccing Bloodletter or if the procc chance between these 2 skills are separate which would then in fact double the procc chance for Bloodletter thus leaving venomous bite a more viable option rather than using Heavy shot.


Edit:

Since Venomous Bite and Windbite each gives 50% chance upon critting on a tick to reset Bloodletter makes me assume that they do not share the procc chance for resetting Bloodletter, thus making the both dots more viable rather than just having Windbite up.

[elementxstyle]

My contention is that replacing Venomous with Heavy Shot (more chance for Straighter Shot) is a more valuable TP investment than Venomous Bite being 80 and it's dot damage being benign compared to direct Heavy Shot damage, leading to Straighter Shots. The double chance at River of Blood does seem viable at the outset. However, with my numbers parsing higher without Venomous; I'm starting to think that replacing this shot entirely with Heavy Shot: Saves TP, Increases Straighter Shot proc, and increases overall direct damage.

SS(70/140)+WB(80/60)+VB(80/100)+HS(60/150)
290 TP investment
450 Potency damage + 80 rolling (9s)
Value: added River of Blood proc chance

SS(70/140)+WB(80/60)+HS(60/150)+HS(60/150)
270 TP investment
500 Potency damage + 45 rolling (9s)
Value: added Straighter Shot proc chance

My opinion -
Straighter Shot > River of Blood
Guaranteed crit on proc vs. ability to do again, crit chance.
However, replacing the double chance on RoB with more direct damage up front by doubling up on Heavy Shot seems to me like the more viable option.

[pompey_dan]

Venomous bite total potency is 100 + (35*18/3) = 310 potency. (/3 as the ticks are every 3 seconds)
Even if heavy shot does proc a crit straight shot the potency of that will only be 140 + 50% for the crit damage so 210 potency.
Therefore as long as the DoT is able to last the majority of the duration its always best to keep both DoTs on at all times, unless i have made a mistake somewhere :/
The only time TP becomes a problem so far in this game is in coil turn 4 with AOE's on adds but that can be managed easily.

[Kevee]

Heavy Shot + Straighter Shot = 360 Potency
Venomous Bite + Heavy Shot = 460 potency

Not even including RoB procs.

You're doing something wrong.

[Gunba]

Such a stupid thread. Venomous Bite has an effective potency of 330. In what situation is Heavy Shot going to be a better use of the GCD?

[KogaDrake]

My guess is that you clipped the dot with different buffs up/down (i.e., no effect of ven) and wasted that GCD in the actual fight, which is why you see less dmg in the end.

ven. Bite should do more dmg, but if you hit the skill to quick and get a no effect, it can hurt you alot. Using titan HM fight as an example, if i somewhat button mash and don't keep them up 100% or hit to early from being lazy I do like 3/4 of the damage I do if i slow down and press each skill with finer precision.

[Lecreuset]

Maybe you have low crit chance because of gear that's why you're not benefiting a lot from River of Blood, I have 480+ without food.

Wasting TP? I've never had TP problems because I cross-skill Invigorate from lancer

[Darkricko]

easy answer here Element.... You are looking at this all wrong. Venomous Bite has way more over all potency then Heavy shot and it also adds another 50% chance to prob bloodletter. So lets do the math again You get 310 potency from Venomous bite then a 50% chance to get another 150 potency from Bloodletter which if you have 450crit you will normally get 1 or 2 procs at least. Going to go with best case here say 310 + 150 + 150 = 610 potency. Now since we have that damage for 1 GBC lets see heavy shots potency!!! 150 WHAT!! lol pretty simple here man not sure how you were parsing this but over a 5-6min fight I always parsed about 10000-15000 more damage done with Venomous Bite on. Could be just my gear vs your gear but when you are geared up you will see the difference.