What exactly is the relationship between the magic classes?

[Design]

It may sound really stupid, but what is the relationship between them? CNJ, THM, and ARC.

I keep trying to find information but the internet is a cesspool of mouth breathers half the time when trying to find specifics, and it's just normally better to ask the community.

[shinros]

So are you asking if they are involved with each other? Or is more of you want to know what each one does lore wise? Like the role within society etc? I made a topic about are the black mages the warlocks of eorzea(spoiler warning in the topic). Thaumaturges use their inner aetheric energy to cast spells while black mages instead suck the aether out of the atompshere to cast stronger destructive spells. Plus thaumaturgy/black magic is connected to the void the same void where all the demons live.

In the topic someone explained the duties of the thaumaturge and lets just say its pretty dark and black mage is even worse considering what black mages will have to deal with in their daily life. They both use the dark arts but black mage is even darker. Here if the topic if you want to read it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ocks-of-eorzea

Now what I personally know on conjurers/white mages they are essentially druids( I haven't done their class quests I am just going by what friends have told me and what we see of them in the story). They deal with and heal the forest etc and commune with the elementals. Considering how they cast their spells since they work with the forest they would not like black mages one bit.

Since we suck the aether out of the atmosphere(which is not environmentally friendly compared to the other spell schools) to cast spells and since aether flows in living things I bet casting our major spells causes some trees or flowers to die around us. XD

Since I leveled arcanist to 47 I got a good understanding of them they are pretty much the normal mages of the game when it comes to casting spells. They see the patterns in the aether and convert this into logic/maths terms and they use that to cast their magic. So in simple terms just think of it as maths magic. Their spells seem like dark magic but its not that belongs to the thaumaturges/black mages.

Now onto their duties they are hardcore border control they deal with smugglers and the beastmen who live in limsa lominsa to ensure all their papers are up to date.

Well this is all I know I hope I answered your question. :X

[Saikou]

Shinros is correct about Conjurers and White Mages. White Magic also draws more on the world's own Aether supply. Because of this, irresponsible overuse of White Magic resulted in an Umbral Era. You are, perhaps, aware that we are defeating The Primals because they utilize the worlds Aether? The Umbral Era caused by White Magic overuse is similar to the Aether overuse caused by the summoning and maintaining of a Primal. When the Umbral Era occurred, the practice of White Magic fell out of use and was lost to the common person. The Padjal of Gridania became the keepers of this forbidden knowledge and restricted its teaching and use to other Padjal. To learn more about why adventurers can become White Mages, go level one yourself. =P

In short, the only thing that Conjury and White Magic has in common with the other disciples of magic is that it uses or is supplemented by Aether.

[Enkidoh]

Yeah, that's the common thread between the mage classes and jobs, is that they all involve some form of manipulation of aether - what differs between classes and Jobs is exactly how that aether is manipulated, and, for that matter, the actual source of the aether (Conjury for instance involves borrowing aether from the environment through using a staff that is little more than a bare branch or twig, where as Thaumaturgury utilizes the casters own aether - effectively, their very life force, and channels it through a metal staff.).

The CNJ's Guild receptionist mentions early on when you first join about how magic study first came about in Eorzea, where early mages basically just experimented with aether and how early magic was very chaotic and somewhat unpredictable, before the current disciplines of magic eventually developed.

[Mysteltain]

An interesting thing to note about Conjury, is that if the Conjurer lacks an understanding of nature, and fails to draw their power from the environment, they will begin to drain their own aether, instead. And from what it sounds like, a Conjurer who uses their own aether places a greater burden on their body than a Thaumaturge ever can.

[shinros]

Funny thing is saikou with black mages we just vanished and because our spells were so destructive it was outlawed no one was even allowed to say the word black mage and today everyone considers them heretics. Considering the fact in the class story the void wants to claim and corrupt black mages and we mess with it all the time with blood offerings.

Guess what we became? I am thinking along the main story here. Since even the person who made you one still does not know the reason why they vanished.

[Skies]

To note.
Conjury is the art of speaking with the elementals and drawing the power of the land to power your magic.
Thaumaturgy is the art of using one's own inner aether to perform your magic.
Friend up there said black mages call upon the aether of the atmosphere to power their magic.
A certain conjurer that was... Unwilling to learn. Used her own natural energy reserves to power her healing magic, nearly leading her to death (also the cause of her mother's death).
She was definitely healing with thaumaturgy (which made a friend of mine flip his pancakes, because he played in the earliest stages of the game in 1.0 back when THM was a healer and CNJ a nuker).

Thaumaturgy and Conjury aren't that different at all, they are very alike.

Also, the use of one's aether to power himself is not unique only to magical classes! A certain disciple of war, Monk, uses the power of their own inner aether to strengthen their bodies.

[rabbitzero]

No, no, you people are all wrong. Conjurers have a crush on Thaumaturgs, who have a crush on Arcanists, who aren't sure who they like because they eventually hook up with both, becoming Summoners if they like Thaums, and Scholars if they hook up with Conjurers. It's a whole love triangle, and don't even get me started on if they see their crush talking to the other one in the lunch room. Major drama.

[Enkidoh]

Speaking of Slyphie in the CNJ class quests about how she was powering her spells, the form of magic she was using was technically a traditional WHM ability from earlier FF games, known variously as 'Sacrifice' or 'Martyr' (as it was known as a WHM merit ability in FFXI), where that character/player sacrifices some of their own HP (ala, 'life force') to heal another character/player by a larger amount.

Although it essentially was using her own aether to do so, it wasn't technically Thaumaturgury, as that's a different school of magic (which came about from funeral rites practiced by priests of Thal).

[Skies]

See, Enkidoh.
Sacrifice was a Thaumaturge spell up to 1.18 >_>

Which is the big reason my friend flipped his pancakes going "AAAAH! THAT IS WHAT THAUMATURGES DO I WANT MY THM HEALER BACK"