Really sick of the EU latency problems

[Soukyuu]

Zakarn, P2P is used for files downloading (in FFXIV's case, it used to be patches), it has nothing to do with server communication, since for P2P you don't really have a server (except for getting the peer lists). In any case, even if your ISP blocks/throttles P2P, it won't lag you. Reading the post you linked, I'm really doubting that's really what's happening.

At least it's not the whole picture, since I am getting lag yet my ISP doesn't throttle P2P as I have no typical symptoms - my µtorrent is always at peak speeds if the swarm can serve it.

What does lag you is running P2P programs parallel to the game, since EU countries still use a lot of asynchronous connections, for example ADSL where the upload bandwidth is fairly limited compared to download bandwidth, and since each packet has to be confirmed with an ACK packet, it can happen that your upload is completely clogged with ACK sends, leaving no room for your FFXIV client's packets telling server what you are doing.

So you can at least ease the lag to some amount if you (and other people at your place) stop down/uploading stuff while you're playing. Don't forget that opening a page with a lot of content (images, gifs) counts as much as streaming a video stream, especially with the "continuous load" most image sites employ nowadays.

[amnie]

I'm so sick and tired of this topic. the main problem is not the LOCATION of the servers. it's the internal latency. people from the US, heck, even people who live in Canada, have the exact same problems.

it's the position check. and if you have lag during specific times that should give you the BIGGEST hint that it's obviously not the location.

in every single MMO I've ever played this happened. during 'peak time' a lot of people have issues. you would still have these problems if the servers were placed in England or Germany or something. your provider is most likely blocking ports.

please go post in the topic that specifially asks for you to post where you live, which provider you have, when you have issues and how they appear.

you are NOT helping to make SE fix this issue when you ask for a EU datacentre where the same problems will .still. appear.

[Thotor]

I'm so sick and tired of this topic. the main problem is not the LOCATION of the servers. it's the internal latency. people from the US, heck, even people who live in Canada, have the exact same problems.

It is NOT. When people around you don't move for a few seconds = INTERNATIONAL TRANSIT LAG. The position refresh delay is an other problem of its own but not the biggest problem for EU.

We, EU players, are fighting lags. We lost so many tries on titan and coils ONLY to lag. This affects everyone from our FC. Not always the same person.
We are all forced to use VPN to fight it. This is NOT acceptable.

[Rillifane]

It is NOT. When people around you don't move for a few seconds = INTERNATIONAL TRANSIT LAG. The position refresh delay is an other problem of its own but not the biggest problem for EU.

We, EU players, are fighting lags. We lost so many tries on titan and coils ONLY to lag. This affects everyone from our FC. Not always the same person.
We are all forced to use VPN to fight it. This is NOT acceptable.

If you are having to use a VPN that is a big indication that it's an ISP related problem and not something SE server side related as your VPN ends up setting up better pathways than what the ISP's have determined to forward your packets. Plopping a data centre in EU won't fix it if the packet's aren't being handled properly by the ISPs.

[skillface]

I'm so sick and tired of this topic. the main problem is not the LOCATION of the servers. it's the internal latency. people from the US, heck, even people who live in Canada, have the exact same problems.

it's the position check. and if you have lag during specific times that should give you the BIGGEST hint that it's obviously not the location.

in every single MMO I've ever played this happened. during 'peak time' a lot of people have issues. you would still have these problems if the servers were placed in England or Germany or something. your provider is most likely blocking ports.

please go post in the topic that specifially asks for you to post where you live, which provider you have, when you have issues and how they appear.

you are NOT helping to make SE fix this issue when you ask for a EU datacentre where the same problems will .still. appear.

Exactly. People seem to tune out the second someone mentions that it's actually due to the internal lag built into the game (via the 300ms polling period, which is plain unacceptable and as far as I'm aware the only other MMO to have anything similar to this was SWTOR and look how that turned out).

It does not matter where you live, you're being affected by this. It's just that those of us outside of Japan or North America have the additional latency from our geographical location added onto the internal lag and it hits a threshold where the game becomes nigh unplayable (and there are complaints from people living within the US and Canada as well, so it's not just us). And yes while some people may be suffering from throttling issues with their ISPs on top of this, it's important to note that most of us are still on ISPs that do not throttle (myself included) and yet we're still seeing these problems.

Don't expect PvP or Endgame content to be anything but a joke if this core issue isn't addressed.

[Dano]

the other thread with 72 pages got locked by mods, lets see how long it takes for this one to go down as well. It seems SE has no plans to address this issue at all.

[Fornix]

the other thread with 72 pages got locked by mods, lets see how long it takes for this one to go down as well. It seems SE has no plans to address this issue at all.

Locking a thread is hardly an indicator of devs not wishing to resolve issues players are having. It's more of an indicator of the community not, or no longer, being able to provide any constructive feedback which is beneficial for the devs in doing so.

[Efrye]

Locking a thread is hardly an indicator of devs not wishing to resolve issues players are having. It's more of an indicator of the community not, or no longer, being able to provide any constructive feedback which is beneficial for the devs in doing so.

Then why would the mod who closed the thread ask us to continue posting in the feedback forum (which barely anyone is reading)? And why are threads like " ★ SHOW YOURSELF ★ ( ^ ω ^ )" still open? Do they provide constructive feedback for the devs?

The locked thread was comparatively civil from what I've seen, so there's really no reason it shouldn't stay open if people still want to talk about the issue. But apparently SE prefers to sweep it under the rug.

[nimrod]

no latency for EU /end sarcasm.

Srly i really consider not re-subbing... every 0815 MMO company is able to host EU Server in the EU cause the EU market is one one of the biggest for gaming! Seems not for Final Fantasy

[Poulpy]

SE will maybe do something if the in-game lag will produce a lag in their income