Selling HM Runs - Is it against TOS?

[Dsync]

I used to sit in Aht Urhgan waiting for [Teleport Mea/Dem Holla etc] [Can I have it?] [reward] 4k. I see that as just the same as the issue here (other than the shouts of "you're carrying bad players!!").

Some of these players 'may' have purchased gil, but there are decent ways to get gil yourself. If gil has been bought then I'm sure the people who have proof(SE) will do their part. All other accusations of "S/He has money, therefore they bought gil" just seems sad.

I don't sell something on the MB and think "That person must've bought gil! I'm reporting/stalking them!"

There used to be an item called Kraken Club I think, which could sell for hundreds of dollars. That is what they are against when referring to ingame virtual items being bought. If I were to take someone through a run with the promise of a virtual item at the end then I'd just see that as legit bartering for goods between players using skills/spells I've accumulated through my time.

[WHS]

May not be illegal but it does send a clear message that many ppl can be carried now through a Titan run. So much for earning it the right way.

[Evangela]

hiring mercenaries is against ToS?

just no, and shouldn't be.

[Balaur]

Problem not solved. It states real-world money OR value any in-game currency. Do you have something better?

This is about which object is related to what. It is apparently either [object] "real-world money" [/object] or [object]"value"[/object], or it is "real-world" [object]money[/object] or [object]value[/object]. Does real-world describe only the money, or does it describe both money and value? I.e., exchange of property not considered money? BJs? A car stereo system with curiously filed-off serial numbers? I think it is the latter: money and other items of value from the real-world cannot be exchanged for in-game gil. As Titan runs and gil are BOTH in-game, one cannot say they violate the ToS as read above. However, this says nothing about how the in-game gil is acquired.

[ufufu]

Ok this is the clarification I needed. They are missing some punctuation which is what caused the misunderstanding. This isn't the first time things have been translated and not checked for correctness.

Uh, there's actually no punctuation missing. It's perfectly correct and the grammar isn't hard at all. I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from.

[Arkista]

There will always be mercenaries to sell items/win or anything you need. Just as long as there is no In real life trading then all is good. I use to know someone in FFXI that would merc out HNMs back in the day for pizza IRL.

[Nanga]

Ok this is the clarification I needed. They are missing some punctuation which is what caused the misunderstanding. This isn't the first time things have been translated and not checked for correctness.

No, there's none missing, and no clarification is needed for a misunderstanding that the reader creates for themselves. You're interpreting it to mean something that is obviously nonsense. As others have noted, why would it be against the TOS to sell in-game stuff FOR in-game currency, using in-game means? Again, as others have noted, the misunderstanding you are creating for yourself is akin to saying, "It's against the TOS to use the marketboard to put crafted items on it, and sell for gil." SE didn't think people would make this sort of connection, because it really is nonsense.

[samfisher]

Problem not solved. It states real-world money OR value any in-game currency. Do you have something better?

It says "You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value, any in-game currency"

Add the comma in between, that's how it's supposed to be read, not "value any in-game currency".

[krazykrusnik]

So it popped up in shout on Leviathan that according to Section 2.2 under the ToS that selling HM runs is a bannable offence. After reading this section I am finding it difficult to determine whether it is true or not.

Section 2.2 Reads:
You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any in-game currency, accounts, characters, in-game services, or in-game virtual items. You may not play the Game for the purpose of acquiring virtual items or advancement in game play on behalf of a third-party or for the purpose of selling any virtual assets to a third party for real-world money, specifically including "gold-farming" and power-leveling services.

The "real-world money or value any in-game currency" means you can't trade real world stuff for in-game stuff. The in-game stuff you can't trade for real world stuff, be it money or anything given "value" starts with the "in-game currency" part.

[Sziadan]

May not be illegal but it does send a clear message that many ppl can be carried now through a Titan run. So much for earning it the right way.

People already do get carried, there's a lot of people who gets carried through the fight via their FC.
Only difference here is that some people who can't get carried for free, because they either don't belong to a FC or their FC isn't good enough to do it, ends up paying others to do it for them.