Selling HM Runs - Is it against TOS?

[Drakzen1]

Hahaha!

No.

Care to elaborate?

[Vantwan]

Exchanging in-game currency for in-game services is perfectly acceptable and that includes mercenary groups charging players a fee for guaranteed primal kills.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if a handful (or more) of people providing these services end up getting banned for receiving tainted gil from gil buyers.

[Soulscare]

Nope, but it should be.

[Xatsh]

It is as against TOS as crafters selling thier gear.

Guilds are selling thier members time and skill for ingame money.

One sells their wares, one sells their time.

If they are selling the services on a website for RL money or such then yes it is a bannable offense. But that quote from the ToS does not apply at all to the act of selling ingame services.

Now if the guild selling is spamming chat non-stop with it, it should be spam and a bannable offense.

[Aoshi1]

It plainly states you can't sell anything from within the game (services/items) for real world money.

Like it or not, selling the runs and having someone actually pay for it are not bannable by this article.

[Nuzuchi]

There is no real world money involved or anything outside the games economy.

I fail to see how someone giving another person in-game currency for helping them out being wrong. People are allowed to help for free but when they ask for in-game compensation it magically becomes wrong.

I would like to see SE respond to this so I don't have to hear this in game.

[dontcare]

People are allowed to help for free but when they ask for in-game compensation it magically becomes wrong.

Because they want it to be wrong. The thought of other players making oodles of gil for little effort doing something they can't inspires envy I'd imagine.

[WinterNights]

Not to mention, with mass-aquisition of gil, comes greed and so-called "legit" players RMT their proceeds. Or the gil-sellers gear themselves up and lvl their toons to get a piece of the action. It happened in FFXI and SE shut it down hard.

[Jasiwel]

Yeah, localizations can be tricky, especially from Japanese to English. Punctuation is very big too because there's a big difference between "Let's eat Grandma!" and "Let's eat, Grandma!"

It's saying that you can't sell services/goods/commodities/gil in-game for real world money basically. This rule is why Gil Selling is illegal.

[Dsync]

I used to sit in Aht Urhgan waiting for [Teleport Mea/Dem Holla etc] [Can I have it?] [reward] 4k. I see that as just the same as the issue here (other than the shouts of "you're carrying bad players!!").

Some of these players 'may' have purchased gil, but there are decent ways to get gil yourself. If gil has been bought then I'm sure the people who have proof(SE) will do their part. All other accusations of "S/He has money, therefore they bought gil" just seems sad.

I don't sell something on the MB and think "That person must've bought gil! I'm reporting/stalking them!"

There used to be an item called Kraken Club I think, which could sell for hundreds of dollars. That is what they are against when referring to ingame virtual items being bought. If I were to take someone through a run with the promise of a virtual item at the end then I'd just see that as legit bartering for goods between players using skills/spells I've accumulated through my time.