Worst end game community ever?

[Blazn]

Get a FC the DF is just a nightmare in general.

[Callidous]

SE made the preraid grind really long that you need to run the same dungeon about 76 times to get full darklight people are sick of doing it and they want to do it fast. Pretty much full darklight is what you will need before starting coil.

Is this true, 76 times?!?

(I'm only 48 yet, myself)

[Eldelphia]

It's a bit of a mess.

To ensure there are enough people doing the 8 man story fights, they've put the most Tomes in them. If you don't put Tomes in them, there's a chance players won't get them done because people will just queue once. If you put too many Tomes in them, then people are going to do what they're doing now... which is behave appallingly.

Having the best place to farm Tomes being in direct conflict with those finishing the story is idiotic. However, hopefully in time it'll become less of an issue as more place to farm will open up.

One thing I don't really understand is why they don't put any direct drops into the 8 man story instances at all...?

I think I had some of the worst and best experiences over the weekend. One group where tanks left twice. And then queuing into a group which was all from one FC, overgeared and running it for a couple of members who got me through it in record time.

SE needs to rethink a bit.

[AlternativeOne]

I grind WP and AK long enough to fill in lower level slots of gear. I have gotten 4 DL pieces two for brd and 2 for whm. I have completely lost interest in getting more and haven't even tried titian hard yet. While I have had more good groups then bad ones I did AK Friday it was smooth as can be no deaths and the fastest boss kills I have experience to date. At the end the damn pld still said I sucked cause I didn't cast ensuna. one of the 5 or 6 times in the last boss fight. F*** YOU. Complaining when there nothing to complain about is the way of this community.

I was leveling Blm decided I must complete the Battlemage set. Got a group that couldn't kill the last boss I was tanking every try. After the third wipe I Examine the group the other blm still wearing level 9 jewelry and all quest gear of varying levels. Same with the pld who fortunately got all the pink gear from that run since thats all that ever drops. The sch just sucked on top of having crap gear. I still stuck with them and tried my best to make up for there short comings but just couldn't make it work. More player like them hit 50 everyday. I can see some of the attitude being justified but end gamers complain about things before they even attempt them. Like the tank in an Ifrit(hard) instance who quit soon as it started cause there was no blm in the group.

[Lunchable]

Is this true, 76 times?!?

(I'm only 48 yet, myself)

It's a lot. I don't know if it's 76, but it is a ton. Just go to Mor and look at the darklight vendors. It cost around 400 stones for one ring. You get 100 stones per run. Some of the larger pieces cost over 1k stones.

[aphexacid]

I only really have ffxi to compare it to but I remember end game being far more laid back in that. I certainly don't remember any of these problems in sky, dynamis etc

That game generally had a slightly older player base though, guess that helped

[OldGeezer]

...Where I am having the problem is how the players behave to other players who don't want to do it their way. I.E. screaming at new lvl 50's for watching cut scenes, going on to boss fights without players because they are taking too long, refusing to heal new players because they are not max dps...

Welcome to LFG. It happened to WoW the moment they implemented it. Since LFG pulls people from different servers there is no recourse for behaving badly. You might as well try to regulate internet behavior or stop cyberbullying while you're at it. It's a dark side of any MMO. It's mean, tragic, and pretty sad but there is nothing SE can do about it. People are a$$holes when "perceived" things impede them from getting their gear. You have two options: grow a thicker skin and ignore them, or make your own party and bypass them entirely.

[Mitsune]

Right now, end game is completely toxic and extremely off-putting. Telling people to not watch cutscenes in DUTY FINDER is absolutely ridiculous. If you take your "speed run" to the DF, you need to expect that you'll at least one first-timer, and shame on you for ruining their experience. Those last two dungeons were really fun to me the first time around, and I am thankful that I had the opportunity to run through them with other first-timers - everyone should be able to have that same experience if they want it. If you're going to speed run, make the entire group first and then queue.

One thing that has miffed me lately is the "gear requirements" for things like AK, CM, and Prae. I can't imagine what it's like trying to get a group these days without a relic, because, at least on my server, that is what ~90% of the groups are asking for any of these three dungeons. People want to run with other people who are geared, but how in the world are they supposed to get geared when they're getting snubbed out of parties for having mediocre gear? If you must absolutely not invite someone or remove someone from your group SOLELY based on their gear, then send them a tell, tell them why, and be civil about it. Have communication. It takes some effort to be kind sometimes, but do it anyway. Typing up a tell takes about 5 seconds, and trust me, it won't kill you (unless you're auto-running into a group of mobs). If you want to have a good community, it takes effort on everyone's part.

Finally, DPS meters. Put the parser down for a second and focus on the fight at hand. Remember that when you're in a party, you're a team and you have to work together. Perfectly executing your rotation and ending up as #1 DPS in your group doesn't really mean much when your healer just died to three adds. Worry about DPS when the fight is a DPS check, until then, try to figure out what is best for the group and act accordingly. Don't forget to communicate, because really, working through what went wrong and finding out how to fix it (civilly) will fix most problems.

tl;dr: Don't be rude.

[Lunchable]

A few points/thoughts here:

First: I don't think your "two options" are the only options. I think by changing up some rather simple game mechanics and the DF SE could cut down hardcore on this speed run, elitist attitude. I'm not going to detail these recommendations because numerous players have mentioned them throughout this post.


Second: The "grow thicker skin" thing is silly. It's not that these things are making me angry in real life, or affecting my real life in any sort of way outside of the game. However, they are ruining the general fun of the game, especially end-game.

[Ran1880]

CM was a terrible time for me to run for x times.I felt pretty bad for skipping cs for the first time I entered this dungeon,because everyone wasn't waiting at all. I think once I'm done with my relic weapon,I'll never enter the dungeon again.

Indeed,there are a lot of rude groups I've been in in end game dungeon via DF.People rushing like their live depend on it.But it's the hostile attitude from player towards player which make me shiver.This is my first mmo & I really enjoyed story/gameplay.People pay full prize for this game,so everyone should be able to enjoy cs without others bitching around.