Looting rules.

[Nasibihc]

Here's my suggestion:

Level 50 job item: Need to be at least lvl 40 of said job to be able to greed.
Level 40 job item: Need to be at least lvl 30 of said job to be able to greed.

..and so on.

I think it'd be a righteous privilege to only be able to greed on an item if you can actually use it, or use it in the near future. If everyone passes the item (when not being able to greed), then it'd be distributed randomly for those who want it purely out of greed regardless of what level they are. Those who are playing that job and need it, will still be the only ones being able to need them, which is good.

I am playing and gearing up each and every of my jobs with whatever equipment I can get for them. It's sad that I have to compete against these people who have that item job at lvl 1 and who will possibly never even use the items which I could put to good use when I already have the class leveled high enough to use the said items. Surely you can exchange the items for company seals, but the amount of seals you get per item is so little that you can get more seals by participating in 1 FATE, so it's a waste anyways.

You can call me selfish, but I think going through the trouble to level these jobs to a certain level has to have a higher right to loot an item over those who haven't even got the jobs unlocked.

[Jinko]

People turn in gear to FC for seals also, so I don't think this would work, if you can need then need, if not then its luck I'm afraid and you dont' deserve it any more than anyone else.

This is coming from someone who has all jobs as 50.

[atomicdeath]

I dont see a problem with the need/greed system as is.

Need means you can use it.

Greed means you want it.

not rocket science here.

[amnie]

the difference being that people still NEED on an item even though they don't NEED it. they NEED on items that aren't actually upgrades just because they can.

why does a PUG deserve to roll on some item he will .not. use and just trash for seals when someone else in the group may in fact be leveling up a pug right now?

why should said pug have more rights to exchanging the unneeded (!) gear for seals than the rest of the group just because he can?

it does not check if people actually NEED it, it just checks if they have the same class as the item.

we should be adult enough to not be babysat for everything. SE doesn't want people to 'ninja' gear that they can't use (though they can ask if they are allowed to need if it's possible - in other games)
but at the same time they DON'T allow us to blacklist idiots or force us to keep quests in our tracker forever if we don't do them right away, won't do anything against dungeon leecher and all that junk...

[Hawklaser]

the difference being that people still NEED on an item even though they don't NEED it. they NEED on items that aren't actually upgrades just because they can.

why does a PUG deserve to roll on some item he will .not. use and just trash for seals when someone else in the group may in fact be leveling up a pug right now?

why should said pug have more rights to exchanging the unneeded (!) gear for seals than the rest of the group just because he can?

it does not check if people actually NEED it, it just checks if they have the same class as the item.

That is just people taking advantage of the system for greed. Should see how many people need on crafting or vanity items in a dungeon instead of greed on things that most truly do not need outside of greed reasons.

[Obysuca]

the difference being that people still NEED on an item even though they don't NEED it. they NEED on items that aren't actually upgrades just because they can.

why does a PUG deserve to roll on some item he will .not. use and just trash for seals when someone else in the group may in fact be leveling up a pug right now?

why should said pug have more rights to exchanging the unneeded (!) gear for seals than the rest of the group just because he can?

it does not check if people actually NEED it, it just checks if they have the same class as the item.

Had this happen way too many times :/ Usually it's when a healer hits need on a piece of gear I actually needed as blm, but just because it has like 2-3 mnd on it, they're able to hit need -.- One time back at lvl 34, a whm in my pt got 3 pieces of battlemage in 1 run. He didn't even equip it.... I've also had a 50 whm, in lvl 30 gear during Brayflox, hit need on battlemage too, seriously?

What would be an amazing idea is if you were wearing better gear than what dropped, you shouldn't be able to hit need on it.

[Sylve]

Had this happen way too many times :/ Usually it's when a healer hits need on a piece of gear I actually needed as blm, but just because it has like 2-3 mnd on it, they're able to hit need -.- One time back at lvl 34, a whm in my pt got 3 pieces of battlemage in 1 run. He didn't even equip it.... I've also had a 50 whm, in lvl 30 gear during Brayflox, hit need on battlemage too, seriously?

What would be an amazing idea is if you were wearing better gear than what dropped, you shouldn't be able to hit need on it.

.... And how exactly are you supposed to get vanity sets then? Such as Battlemages, Foestrikers, Acolytes many others that look pretty awesome.Since under your proposal, I can't roll need on 50 Monk in Darklight for that Colliseum chestpiece, even though i want it for vanity purposes, and no one else can quip it in the group, it just goes to the void then i suppose?

No, no, no. The system is fine as it is.
Need = Your current class/role can equip it.
Greed = Your current class cannot use it, but you want it for an alt job/seals/Materia
Pass = You don't want or need this at all. (Or cant roll because unique)

That WHM in lvl 30 gear needing on Battlemage is fine. He was likely using the gear for Materia Soulbinding because he wanted to make some Gil, and also wanted Battlemages for when we get Vanity slots.

[Tupsi]

.... And how exactly are you supposed to get vanity sets then? Such as Battlemages, Foestrikers, Acolytes many others that look pretty awesome

Uh..you do realize those aren't vanity sets, right? lol they're amazing for their level for people leveling and actually need them to use..as gear for their jobs.

[Obysuca]

.... And how exactly are you supposed to get vanity sets then? Such as Battlemages, Foestrikers, Acolytes many others that look pretty awesome.Since under your proposal, I can't roll need on 50 Monk in Darklight for that Colliseum chestpiece, even though i want it for vanity purposes, and no one else can quip it in the group, it just goes to the void then i suppose?

Lvl that job or don't. Actually needing the gear for a job you're lvling > being a greedy ass who will never use it except for looks

Hit greed on it then if no one else can use it, you know, like normal, nice, people do.

[amnie]

Had this happen way too many times :/ Usually it's when a healer hits need on a piece of gear I actually needed as blm, but just because it has like 2-3 mnd on it, they're able to hit need -.- One time back at lvl 34, a whm in my pt got 3 pieces of battlemage in 1 run. He didn't even equip it.... I've also had a 50 whm, in lvl 30 gear during Brayflox, hit need on battlemage too, seriously?

What would be an amazing idea is if you were wearing better gear than what dropped, you shouldn't be able to hit need on it.

thing is.. people would still abuse the system. they'd just go into the instance with lvl 15 gear or something...

That is just people taking advantage of the system for greed. Should see how many people need on crafting or vanity items in a dungeon instead of greed on things that most truly do not need outside of greed reasons.

why of course. but that's the thing. people will ALWAYS abuse these systems. the situation right now is that people will hit need as soon as they see they CAN hit it. need no longer means what it actually means (that you NEED something)
it means 'hey your class can - technically - use this so you might as well just grab it even if you wear gear 10 lvl higher.

surely that would still happen if need wasn't locked to 'right class', but then at least everybody would have the chance to ninja with equal opportunity.

I see way more ninja-looting in this game than I see in games where need is not blocked. and I think some people don't even do it on purpose. they probably really think that need means they need it and don't even pay attention to what they're actually rolling for. I'm fairly sure the real problem isn't even the 'ninja looter' who will just need for seals or whatever, but the people new to MMOs who don't know the 'old school' need-greed-pass system.