"First time here"

[Rufio]

I was kinda expecting the answers you got OP, but I agree with you, many parties will leave if the tank doesn't know something or a dungeon, but God forbid we treat the DPS or healer the same.

Last night I was in AK with the usual pug, no one talked or said anything, I always ask this before a boss "We all know this fight, right?" I'm assuming this since everybody is quiet, so I get no answer and assume it is so and pull, then I see our DPS neglecting adds, then everybody, including the healer stand in the red ring from the big golem, of course we wiped.

... I explained the whole fight on the second try and we got it, DPS and some healers are just spoiled and seem to think they should be carried by tanks.

[ChickensEvil]

So, honestly I didn't watch a single video, guide, whatever on this game until titan, and even then I have only done that because everyone *insists* that is was sooooo hard, that you needed to watch the video... it is just a giant memorization game, nothing more. stand here, stand there, collapse, spread out, attach the thing that traps your party... pretty basic stuff. The only benefit to watching the video is to keep people from having to explain all the mechanics, since there is... a lot. So to that I understand... but really that entire fight amounts to nothing more than "don't stand in the bad" and "free party members who get trapped"...

Thus far the game doesn't rely on obscure mechanics to be difficult. I like that. That means if you pay attention, then the fight is pretty self explanitory. They rely on near-perfect execution of said obvious mechanics, which is perfectly fine, and I like that kind of difficulty. So far there has only been ONE fight that had obscure mechanics that I didn't immediately understand, and that was the first mini-boss in Quarm (and that might have been because I was a bit tired... because other party members figured it out and explained it to the group).

I do support going in with at least level 40+ gear, since you have no excuse (there are a couple of slots that are likely going to be low, unless you spend a ton of money or farm some other content to get better... rings and shields, I am looking at you...). I also support not being bad and standing in the red. asside from that, you should only need to explain those minor mechanics like the cannon boss in CM. Honestly, at this point I am geared enough as a DPS to carry (for the most part) a fail DPS in AK, heck I was carrying a bad DPS AND a bad Healer in AK the other night, buy cycling through both of my mana shields on the first boss.

I was kinda expecting the answers you got OP, but I agree with you, many parties will leave if the tank doesn't know something or a dungeon, but God forbid we treat the DPS or healer the same.

Honestly, if you say you don't know what you are doing I will gladly take the time to work with you and help you grasp the fight. Where I get a little short with people is those who don't say anything and then fail at a mechanic. For example me and a tank friend were doing the last boss in AK and a guy dropped the bomb on the entire group. So I replied with "how about you not drop the bomb on the group again, please", and he got all snide and indignant with me saying "guess there is no fun left in this dungeon huh", So of course I responded with, "I would rather not wipe on a simple fight that I have done a bunch already".

Or the tank that says that he hasn't done CM before, but then turns around and refuses to do the job we tell him to do, and starts acting like a jerk. "Well I got the threat on the boss, so that means I am no longer the off-tank"... ummm no buddy, if we tell you, it is your job to pick up the adds and then we wipe because, guess what, the adds didn't get picked up, then yeah that kinda makes it your fault.

[ApolloGenX]

For my first time, I watch a video, but don't watch what happens after the boss dies. Then there isn't a spoiler.

I just don't see the value of going into a fight blind. "Discovering" something is one thing... but not bothering to research and asking someone to explain it to you? That's just lazy.

You are asking someone to teach you when you could teach yourself. Even if you just read a text version online- what is the difference?

Knowing is half the battle. As people have pointedo ut... reading is the not the same as doing. It doesn't ruin it for you- you just aren't surprised and confused when stuff happens, with others cleaning up after you. You can be more confident in the fight.

To each his own, I guess. I still explain if someone asks... I just don't understand- Why ask me? Why not ask Google?

As the healer and peacemaker, though I will always defend a new player and try to help them learn... cause that's what I do. I support.

[zaineal]

I personally couldn't care if you are new as long as you say I'm new here any tips? Makes my life so much easier then those who don't say that they are new.

I'm more than happy to sit through several wipes until he/she gets it.

[Evilized]

Hey bro, why you steal my name bro?

[Horg]

These crappy little 4 man dungeons like AK are definitely not "Progression Content", it's already been cleared by most of the player base, there is no reason or harm in looking at a list of abilities/descriptions to make sure you don't cause wipes. That being said I am always courteous to people who have never been, even after wipe #15, and will do my best to help that person with the mechanics of the fight. I would definitely rather just one shot the dungeon with a group of competent players. Then again, most the time you get that "wipe-causer" it's not due to ignorance of the fight, it's due to bad reaction-time. Maybe it's because I've been a raider for too long, but these intro dungeons don't do a thing for me, don't care about them at all, they are just a pain in my butt until I can get into the large group raids (24 mans). I think that's the same philosophy the OP has.

[Serephine]

Personally I like the learn-as-you-go strategy because it's much more personable. Every once in a while you'll find a great group of people and experiencing a dungeon with them for the first time is really fun. If someone has experience with it, it's not hard to explain a boss.

If you expect someone to skip a cs because you're too much of an ass to wait- grow up. Don't ruin someone else's gaming experience. Also, if you can't be bother to explain something, don't expect the run to be perfect.

If it's THAT big of a deal, then do it with your LS or FC, and ask for experienced players only. If you use the Duty Finder chances are that at least one of the members is going to be new.

Now be a big boy and have some courtesy.

[Archona]

WP? AK? Dont require video guides. At most you wipe once or twice and learn from your mistakes, or your brain tumor is inoperable anyway.
CM/Praetorium? lol
HM Ifrit, Garuda? No video guides required. Basically just need to know normal mode, learn an extra ability.
HM Titan? Binding Coil? No video guide required. Learn the pattern with your group, wipe a few times to learn how to work as a group before moving onto more difficult content.

Everything in this game eases you into fights. They introduce one or two mechanics at a time per phase so players don't get overwhelmed. I'd much rather recruit players who are capable of learning and critical thinking than take a monkey regurgitating a YT video or a wikipedia strategy because they are more valuable in the long run.

That said, when you use the DF you agree to take the risk of getting first timers. If you want to set requirements for your group, then make your own public party. If you come across a newbie in DF and yell at the guy to "go watch videos", you're being highly unreasonable. Yes, we've played MMOs for years, but theres a good chance out there that you'll meet people in DF who claim FF14 to be their first.

[Little_Gray]

I have no problem with people expecting others to be appropriately geared and not stand in shit but we should not be expected to research every single fight beforehand. I play this game to have fun and that does not include sitting around on youtube looking up how to do some stupid boss before I do the dungeon.

[Orophin]

I don't think it should be required reading to progress through a dungeon. If you get hung up on something that's when you should consult information already out there.

I went into practically dungeon blind as I was leveling up and the first dungeon I really got hung up on was in WP with Tonberry King. After watching a video of a guy kiting TK the entire fight it was a piece of cake.