The level of the best weapon you can craft?

[Liger]

Was wondering if it is worth it to buy or craft a lvl 70 weapon. maybe I am wrong, but an HQ lvl 70 lance melded with 5 rank 4 materia (3 determination and 2 critical hit) can be easily compared to a relic. Still it is not going to be the best weapon out there. You still have the relic +1. Considering the amount of time money and of course luck you need to craft that gear, I think it is better to go for a relic since I still can get my +1.
Again, crafting is falling behind compare to what you can get from dungeons and quests. So why can't crafters do a lvl 80 weapons?

[Neasa]

Because the best things in the game should require effort to obtain, not gil.

[Dreamer]

Because the best things in the game should require effort to obtain, not gil.

So you're in agreement that crafters should be making the best weapons in the game, then? Because getting a crafting class to 50, getting all the required items for a two-star recipe, having the cross class abilities necessary to get a decent chance at HQing the item, and building, bonding, and converting the mountain of items needed for 5 IV-level materia of the appropriate stats is a far, far, FAR more involved and time consuming process than the +1 relic, as others have mentioned below you.

The effort in actually beating some of the end game content is a lot more worthy than just buying your way to success. Let's not encourage RMT activity even more.


It really doesn't. It requires throwing gil at it until the materia sticks. Crafting isn't difficult. >.>

Says someone who apparently doesn't have any 40+ crafting or gathering classes. SE has actually done a fairly decent job with crafting, compared to others. It's not simply click to craft.

[Neasa]

So you're in agreement that crafters should be making the best weapons in the game, then? Because getting a crafting class to 50, getting all the required items for a two-star recipe, having the cross class abilities necessary to get a decent chance at HQing the item, and building, bonding, and converting the mountain of items needed for 5 IV-level materia of the appropriate stats is a far, far, FAR more involved and time consuming process than the +1 relic, as others have mentioned below you.

Says someone who apparently doesn't have any 40+ crafting or gathering classes. SE has actually done a fairly decent job with crafting, compared to others. It's not simply click to craft.

How clever, you attempted to change what I said to suit you! No, that's obviously not what I said. Don't be so daft.
And no, even Titan requires more effort than sitting and crafting/turning in leves. Obtaining a relic+1 is an absolute joke, no doubt, but at least it takes some ability. You might enjoy being lazy and buying your way to success, but I don't. I have the sense to realize how badly that impacts the game.

Also, I have everything at level 50. That includes crafting and gathering. You're embarrassing yourself.

Lol
Why do you keep bring the issue of Gil to it! And now RMT.
I guess the best solution is to close the market and remove crafting. Will that make you happy ^^;

Because... If you can buy the best things, that just encourages lazy people who support RMT. Is this really going over your head? Just look at all the gil buyers with vanya gear and paying for Titan runs because they're incapable of doing it the honest way.

Buying a Titan run isn't much less RMT encouraging.

And I blacklist everyone I see selling, or buying one of those runs. Totally off-subject, by the way.

[Ryuni]

How clever, you attempted to change what I said to suit you! No, that's obviously not what I said. Don't be so daft.
And no, even Titan requires more effort than sitting and crafting/turning in leves. Obtaining a relic+1 is an absolute joke, no doubt, but at least it takes some ability. You might enjoy being lazy and buying your way to success, but I don't. I have the sense to realize how badly that impacts the game.

Also, I have everything at level 50. That includes crafting and gathering. You're embarrassing yourself.


Because... If you can buy the best things, that just encourages lazy people who support RMT. Is this really going over your head? Just look at all the gil buyers with vanya gear and paying for Titan runs because they're incapable of doing it the honest way.


And I blacklist everyone I see selling, or buying one of those runs. Totally off-subject, by the way.

How is it off-subject when we're talking about Relic weapon and how gil shouldn't be able to get the best weapon?

I just proved that today the crafted weapons costs more and takes more effort than it does than doing the relic quest line. Hell there even was a FC that offered a carry from Chimera until Titan for 7m gil.
How that is less RMT encouraging than a crafted weapon, is beyond me.

Who you blacklist or not has no effect to the balance of the game. SE will never do anything against people selling runs because it breaks no rules at all. It's all strictly in-game money.

[Neasa]

How is it off-subject when we're talking about Relic weapon and how gil shouldn't be able to get the best weapon?

I just proved that today the crafted weapons costs more and takes more effort than it does than doing the relic quest line. Hell there even was a FC that offered a carry from Chimera until Titan for 7m gil.
How that is less RMT encouraging than a crafted weapon, is beyond me.

Who you blacklist or not has no effect to the balance of the game. SE will never do anything against people selling runs because it breaks no rules at all. It's all strictly in-game money.

Okay... I'll admit I didn't quite make the connection there. People buying Titan wins, obtaining relic with no effort... Yeah. I apologize. I'm very much against that too, and as I stated, I immediately blacklist anyone who admits to buying/selling those wins. Obviously my blacklisting these people changes little, but at least I know I won't add to the problem by supporting those people.
Being able to buy/sell these runs breaks any intended challenge in the game, and it's sad SE has no issue with it. I do feel being able to flat-out buy something is a lot easier, and more encouraging for such RMT activity... But yes, you're right - Both have issues.

I'm not playing or anything, just wondering why you were using this phrase "Because the best things in the game should require effort to obtain, not gil. ". That's on your first comment there.

Basically you were implying that crafting is not an effort at all.

That wasn't my intention. I just don't believe the best items in the game should be able to be bought.
I wish I could suggest something like... These crafted items being unsellable (So only a crafter could obtain them), but with how crafting leves are, people can just buy HQs and trade them in for crazy EXP. :\ I have no issues with the crafters themselves.

[IMStarbuck]

Oh, the effort for lvling crafter and gathering class is less worthy compare to grinding dungeon?
Good to know that.

[Ryuni]

Oh, the effort for lvling crafter and gathering class is less worthy compare to grinding dungeon?
Good to know that.

Not like getting Relic+1 is any effort whatsoever. Getting a level 70 crafted weapon with 5 melded IV materias is probably 10 times more effort/time than getting a Relic +1.

[Neasa]

Oh, the effort for lvling crafter and gathering class is less worthy compare to grinding dungeon?
Good to know that.

The effort in actually beating some of the end game content is a lot more worthy than just buying your way to success. Let's not encourage RMT activity even more.

Ok... :/
But that is not what I meant. And by the way, crafting 2 star weapons and do forbidden melding require more effort than what you think.
My point was to have a better role for crafters in getting a worth while weapon.

It really doesn't. It requires throwing gil at it until the materia sticks. Crafting isn't difficult. >.>

[Ryuni]

The effort in actually beating some of the end game content is a lot more worthy than just buying your way to success. Let's not encourage RMT activity even more.


It really doesn't. It requires throwing gil at it until the materia sticks. Crafting isn't difficult. >.>

Buying a Titan run isn't much less RMT encouraging.