The opportunity cost of shield bash is too darned high

[Ehayte]

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Right, but the combination of you not being equally geared with the fact that you are trying to take on two roles in a single encounter is just going to lead to problems. If you create a scenario that you are basing an argument off of, of course I'm going to consider all variables. If you become over-geared, this problem probably goes away, see what I mean?

RE: Pissing contest - I agree, there is no reason to argue that point further.

[Onisake]

Why are you bringing war into this. That has nothing to do with it.

Read the entire thread. he brought it up first.

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so...the only thing I got out of that is that you're mad because you can't solo tank everything because your little combo gets interrupted. you're also mad because you can't keep hate off a DD with a weapon that's 20 to 30 levels above yours.

right...would you like me to braid your hair too princess?

[Wyndam]

Right, but the combination of you not being equally geared with the fact that you are trying to take on two roles in a single encounter is just going to lead to problems. If you create a scenario that you are basing an argument off of, of course I'm going to consider all variables. If you become over-geared, this problem probably goes away, see what I mean?

RE: Pissing contest - I agree, there is no reason to argue that point further.

I don't know about that. I found using shield bash regularly to be too likely to cause threat problems during the leveling dungeons as well. To the point where I really didn't use it that much and its biggest selling point, the lack of a cooldown, was moot. I was only using it maybe once a pull, giving it an effective cooldown of closer to 90 seconds. I'd rather have the warrior stun, since its only drawback is the cooldown and that would still mean I got more use out of it.

[Steeled]

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I was excited, I thought you were giving a fair reply, until I got to your "owaits" and "princess" comments.

Thanks for that.

[Onisake]

I was excited, I thought you were giving a fair reply, until I got to your "owaits" and "princess" comments.

Thanks for that.

It was a fair response. you just don't like it because it's not what you want to hear, and i flavored it with some sarcasm. I'm not hear to hold your hand or make you fee better. If anything, i'm here to help push your limits as a player.

In all seriousness, if you're losing hate on pld something is very very wrong with your rotation. i don't even know how that's possible, considering you have 1 combo worth doing...

[Lhun]

I think these "flaws" are fair for the only 2.5s-recast stun of the game

And, it barely ever works. The hard stun from DRG and WAR are far better for boss abilities, to the point where they actually work sometimes.

Bash is good to cancel spells, and that's it.

[Steeled]

You shouldn't assume that because a player likes different things than you, they're having problems you aren't. I suggested changes because although I like the class, I despise the ability. (Did you ever play XI? Scholar in XI ended up in the same spot. Such a powerful class, but people wanted it for stuns). If I'm going to be stunning, I want it to interfere the least with actually gameplay as can be.

It also discredits the validity of your opinion when you resort to snideness and namecalling.

I don't have enmity problems either. Single target is never an issue and aoe pretty much takes someone focusing on a target deliberately not mine, and I'm usually happy to let them tank it if they're so earnest.

Anyway, I listed enmity as a possible adjustment to shield bash, because A) Additional hate is never a bad thing. You can never ever have too much hate, right? and B) There are paladins having enmity problems, something I've seen while healing several (and no, it's not me pulling hate. I'm very easy on the hate of tanks in my group unless fecal hits fan and I really have to powerheal.).

Not that Paladin really is the the paladin archetype anymore. It's shameful that the class's heals are weaker than a healer's regen ticks, and about even with a single hit from most mobs.

And, it barely ever works. The hard stun from DRG and WAR are far better for boss abilities, to the point where they actually work sometimes.

Bash is good to cancel spells, and that's it.

I don't understand what you mean. Mobs are either vulnerable to stun, immune to stun, or built an immunity to stun. For instance, if you only stun eruptions on Ifrit, he'll never be Immune, but if you accidentally stun a plume, you can have ended up stunning enough that he becomes temporarily immune.

But yeah, spells, cast time abilities, melee attacks. Most mobs (all?), if you can stun one thing it does, you can stun any of it, save for certain things like the first boss of AK's summoning of rock adds, but that's not a spell, and barely a boss action, it's just a mechanic of the fight.

[broren]

I've actually had ifrit go immune on stuns before he starts doing plumes. ...is that a dps problem?

[Tyrial]

I've actually had ifrit go immune on stuns before he starts doing plumes. ...is that a dps problem?

No, it means either somebody else is stunning or you got a retarded Ifrit. That is assuming your DPS is doing average or better damage.

I've had Ifrits that resisted the very first stun and some that didn't resist at all even when there were Derpasauruses in the group that thought it was a great idea to spam their stun skills as soon as the CD was up.

[Tanaya]

I've actually had ifrit go immune on stuns before he starts doing plumes. ...is that a dps problem?

From the transition from Phase 1(100% HP) to Phase 2(75% HP), there is a chance where Ifrit will perform one eruption too frequently and doesn't give the Stun's DR the time to reset. It's usually by about 2 or 3 seconds.

That is the only time when Ifrit has become immune without another DPS making a mistake, and I've ran Ifrit about 50 times.