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  1. #1
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    Steeled's Avatar
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    The opportunity cost of shield bash is too darned high



    First, I realize the potential of having a stun on such a short cooldown, and how wonderful it is. However, I feel that the many layered cost of the ability is punitive. Some of these would be fine, but all together, it's too much.

    I'm not asking for all/most of these facets to be changed. This is an evaluation of each aspect and how I might change that particular aspect.

    TP cost - At 150 tp, a paladin regularly weaving in shield bash can find himself out of TP relatively quickly.

    Enmity generation - I feel like the ability should generate more enmity, perhaps as much as RoHalone (not the total of the combo, but the RoH itself at the end of the combo.

    Interrupts Chains - Using the ability interrupts our combo. I would change this, or allow it to setup it's own combo with perhaps RoH or Flash for increased enmity.

    Global Cooldown - Biggest complaint. Stuns on the global cooldown are not fun. You end up camping the button for dangerous moves and basically just sitting there swinging your wittle sword while you wait. I fully believe Shield Bash should trigger the gcd, but be able to be used at any time during it.
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    Last edited by Steeled; 09-29-2013 at 06:50 PM.

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    Darrgo Vanhowl
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    how about a skill thats regenerate the tp like Aetherflow?
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    I think these "flaws" are fair for the only 2.5s-recast stun of the game
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    I'd rather give up the short cooldown and have fights framed around that rather than camping the button.
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    Annika Mill
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    Totally agree with it being taken off gcd and not breaking the chain and have increased cooldown to compensate.
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    I've yet to see a problem with it how it is currently. The "penalties" are there for a reason. There's absolutely no reason for you to NEED to camp the button if you're properly timing your rotation on a fight you know you're going to have to stun things on. The only real trade off that you'll be seeing is a slight drop in your total DPS by spacing out your normal rotation to conserve some TP and make sure you can easily react to moves that require Shield Bash. If anything does change on it, I'd like to see it not break the current combo. That can be annoying at times, but hardly anything more than a slight annoyance.

    You can successfully solo tank Ifrit(HM), Chimera and keep Amdapor first boss on total lock down all while doing your normal stuff with no issue AND not run out of TP.
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    I would suspect that you'd want an archer for that, but maybe not.

    I picked up ifrit after the MT died one time (I was already #2 on hate), and managed to do just that, and sure, I don't have my relic yet, but I don't see reliably generating enough enmity at the start that you can take the long pauses later that are necessary because you don't know when an Eruption is coming. It has been my experience that Eruption, aside from not happening for the first chunk of health, allows the opportunity the safely get in one threat rotation after each shield bash.

    There have been other ifrit groups where I can't maintain #4 on threat because the dps are actually better than a tank parttiming a rotation.

    I'm not saying it's not workable as is, simply that it isn't fun in the slightest.
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    seems worth it for the short cool down.

    however, the diminishing return is really an issue for me though....
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    You might not be realizing how great of a mitigation tool this ability is as well if used correctly. On miss pulls or large groups this ability has saved my ass so many times. Going through 2-3 mobs and stunning them can take a ton of damage off of you allowing you're healer to keep you up in a tight spot. Love it. A longer cd would take that away. I like the fact that I i have to time things and pay attention to my decision making in order to make it work.
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    I like the idea of it STARTING a combo, that would be cool. Maybe into a re-worked bulwark for increase block? A shield ability into an increased block ability? I think that could work pretty well, and at such a high cost you would have to use it sparingly and appropriately.

    As is though, I don't think it should interrupt a combo. The other opportunity costs are fair.
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